Reply With Quoteso you still want to ask the straw man why he is anti gun.
Of course you do.
Fair enough. I didn't read that much into any motives - I took it on the surface - and didn't feel it was that loaded.
so you still want to ask the straw man why he is anti gun.
Of course you do.
I am asking IF there are people who want guns banned - THEN - I wouldn't mind hearing some GOOD reasons why they think banning is a solution - or whatever...
Who cares if there is a straw man - if SOMEONE wants to step up and give some solid reasons - what is the harm in hearing them?
Nothing - you just like to about something.
talk about jumping the gun
The OP didn't say "if there are". He said there are.
I asked him to clarify right from the start. The only one ing here is you, pussy.
I'm definitely against pun controltalk about jumping the gun
There is no such thing as assault weapons
Oops. Good catch. Meant to say automatic assault rifles.
silly semantics.
They have to use semantic games because they don't want to use the word semi-auto.
Ban semi-autos. Make selling a gun without a background check a felony without exception. Require registration of all firearms purchases.
If you are for banning semi automatics, fine. Your opinion. But atleast understand what a semi automatic is. Also look into the percentage of semi automatic models being sold right now. I would agree it is semantics. but assault rifles is a media made idea of what ar stands for. Now it has been coined.
I think it was the 1994 act that codified it. That is because they didn't want to use the word 'semi-auto' which cuts through all the bull . I am of the school of thought that if you are going to do something then you need to do it right. The way they do now, you might as well do nothing at all. The gunshow exception is a travesty.
But try and look at it from my POV. I bought a $400 glock off a buddy for $200. What you want is for him to sell the gun for $100 and I would buy it for $600. Meanwhile criminals would still be buying guns on the black market. I carry a gun for the 'just in case' but mostly just like going out and shooting them. Why should I pay more so some people can pat themselves on the back and not even follow it to see if it was successful?
Feingold wants to put in a provision that law enforcement and ex law enforcement gets to have all guns that no one else will... Now why?? Well it's so her rich friends and herself can pay for security that will be able to have those weapons. You seem sincere about this. But you should really focus more on what they are creating rather than the fact that they are making a law.
Most guns are semiautomatic.
Agree with your second two suggestions but the first is laughable. You realize your proposed semi-auto ban would include just about every shotgun, rifle, pistol and revolver currently in production correct?
You realize you're debating a guy who own a firearm yet wants to ban everyone else's right?
As someone that is familiar with the 'black market' from my younger days, it's not as easy as people like you would make it out to be. It's why you do not see a rash of automatic weapons coming off the black market.
Do you think you could not protect yourself with a pump action shot gun, revolver, bolt action or breachload? Honestly?
And gmb. Making up about the intention of Feinstein or anyone else is laughable. Why not complain about cops being able to use automatics? or tear gas?
I understand what they are creating. I don't think it will work because its halfassed. Like I said: if you are going to do something then you should do it right. I t may take decades like it did in England and other locations in post ww2 europe to get all of the guns out of circulation but I believe it is worth doing.
You still fantasizing about me with you on a beach and what possessions I have? You really should stop, it's obsessive at this point.
I'm just saving spursncowboys time in this debate by letting him know you are a hypocritical gun owner, Mr. Kundu.
Well I bought a sk for $300 as a 16 year old and could of bought a mac 11 but didn't have $600. The "black market" isn't an actual market. It's the idea of people buying and selling stolen stuff.
I love revolvers. Yes I could carry a revolver. bolt action? Do you know what that means? Bolt action is for rifles for accuracy and range. The point is 1. I don't think these laws will fix the problems being brought up for the law 2. Think the unintended consequences are far worse than any projected amount of positive gain 3. Think banning semi automatics is a violations of the 2nd AmendmentDo you think you could not protect yourself with a pump action shot gun, revolver, bolt action or breachload? Honestly?
Feinstein carried a gun. Chances are she would want to have it around for protection. The law states that ex cops are allowed. Not just cops. When Cornyn wanted to put veterans and military, she didn't want to because of PTSD.And gmb. Making up about the intention of Feinstein or anyone else is laughable. Why not complain about cops being able to use automatics? or tear gas?
What does 'do it right' mean? Go after all guns?I understand what they are creating. I don't think it will work because its halfassed. Like I said: if you are going to do something then you should do it right. I t may take decades like it did in England and other locations in post ww2 europe to get all of the guns out of circulation but I believe it is worth doing.
It's funny. At least half the arguments currently by the NRA propaganda machine are about trying to paint proponents as hypocrites. Show pictures of Feinstein and Obama's security details and the like. It's a red herring. The argument for gun control efficacy is the argument for gun control efficacy. Ad hominem is ad hominem.
I don't see much in the department of empirical studies. What I see are roadblocks to empirical studies and anti-intellectualism.
And there have been all types of weapons bans held up. What is illegal is confiscation without use of the gun in crime. If this was not the case we could have artillery and LAWs. They can ban weapons types and as I said you can protect yourself without semi-automatic weapons.
And do it right means make meaningful definitions based on industry standards as to what is banned ie semi-automatic. Do not give room for loopholes and certainly do not legislate loopholes. Commit to the policy long term.
If you want to talk the talk, walk the walk. Turn your firearm in, Kundu.
For those you you who want to mandate registration.
Do you also agree with the people who say it's a right for everyone to know which residences have guns?
the fact of the matter is that a proposed gun prohibition will not make zero influence on the group of people who're most likely to commit crimes with their guns, since the thugs can always get their guns from illegal sources and commit crimes all they want. instead, gun prohibition will only disarm the innocent people, depriving them of the ability to protect themselves and leaving them more vulnerable to gun crimes. the only feasible way to reduce gun crimes is by giving more guns to good people, not taking their guns away imho
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