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"It is arbitrary and capricious..."
i would have to agree with that much
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-204_162-...o-take-effect/
And fat people rejoiced.
"It is arbitrary and capricious..."
i would have to agree with that much
gotta love 'merica !
If you want to curb a behavior you tax it. It generates revenue and curbs the behavior. Banning it just increases cost and criminalizes reasonable behavior. People buy cokes at 7-11 because you can buy them for 99c or whatever they cost nowadays. Triple the price and you will have people looking elsewhere.
Or, govt can focus on important problems.
And then when coke (I haven't been in TX for a while, but assume you mean all kinds of soda) companies have to downsize, throw them on govt subsidized living wages.
I do think this is not what our tax system should be pushing. I do not want your values pushed on me, but that is exactly what would happen. I also doubt you would want my values pushed on you.
legalize drugs and ban 21 oz drinks!?
I'd say legalize and tax both.
All I am saying is that if you want to curb behavior because you believe it is for the public good then a ban that criminalizes is expensive while a tax makes money and is effective as well.
If you are saying that curbing sugar consumption is not for societal good then so be it but if you do....
curbing sugar consumption would be good but taxation would also be dangerous territory. first, not everyone who purchases a saturated sweet is unhealthy and they may not purchase said product on a regular basis. secondly, why not tax fatty foods, red meat, salty foods and such (since heart disease is the leading cause of death in the US) ? and last, it may lead to the construction of yet another pariah (fat people are the reason we have such out of control health care costs).
Really? I strongly recommend you read this Bitter Pill: Why Medical Bills Are Killing Us
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...#ixzz2NHArRsC5
Under that criteria, you oppose smoking bans too?
Obesity and Obesity-related death is the #2 cause of death in New York, right after smoking.
This is obviously a personal responsibility issue where most New Yorkers feel they should be irresponsible. So how you address it?
Sure and NYC is also wrangling about school funding cuts. Having more stuff that various agencies have to enforce doesn't help. A tax OTOH.... 2 birds with one stone.
If you are saying how would I address if if I were a new yorker or mayor? Nothing. It wouldn't be my place. But what is the outcome? What is the time and goal for if this works or not?
Do you ever have a solution that doesn't involve more taxes?
What do you mean it's not your place? State spends an exorbitant amount of money on healthcare every year. That's your cons uents money. It falls squarely on your shoulders.
So state spends money of healthcare. People are not living healthy which creates a higher cost to the government for supplying their healthcare. You want to ban 21 oz sodas?
Yeah cutting worthless agency enforcements. What idea do you have to curb consumption of something. A ban doesn't exactly help industry either but it costs nonetheless.
And you know what? Don't be a boomer. We need to pay for our and part of that is that we need to pay for our SS and medicare. We need to pay for kids education and other worthwhile programs. That means taxes. I look to a time when our country was great and now ain't it. 1945-1965 should be a model for sound fiscal policy. Not what the boomers have done since then.
What's a boomer?
So your answer to everything is a top tax rate of 91%?
Good, now that we've established that the State does have an interest in reducing their top health costs (which includes smoking and obesity), how do you address it?
Apparently, just telling people not to do it hasn't worked. I'm not saying bans are the solution, but ignoring the issue isn't going to make it go away. So what you do about it? Any ideas?
Are you stating that outlawing 21 oz or more will help? Or is this symbolic?
So, no ideas? Free market will figure it out right? At least throw out some bull like the government should get out of the business of providing healthcare.
Baby boomers. The generation that has had around 40% of the electorate from 1965 to today. The generation that slashed the tax system that their parents put together to take us out of the massive debt that we accrued in WW2 while at the same time rebuilding Europe and Japan. We're in massive debt right now.
The answer to everything is not a 'tax' but the problem has been the answer for the past 48 years has been 'cut taxes.' I am saying let's go back to actually worked.
I'm saying the State can't keep looking the other way. If they want to try out a ban and see how it works, then it's up to them. It's not like it's novel or some other bans haven't worked (see smoking in public areas bans).
IMO, this is entirely a health/cost concern, which is in no way different than smoking bans.
But, again, if bans are not a solution, what is? How do you address this problem which for NY is very real.
ie: You could go DOK's way, and remove medicare/medcaid for those extremely obese...
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