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    There seems to be a consensus that the game was won by Green, Splitter and Leonard, and I agree with that. I would go further and say that it was won in spite of Duncan. I have a hard time with the consistently above-performance grades and evaluations that Tim gets from Timvp.

    Cojo was acceptable but no more than that. Manu was up and down, a pattern that has become consistent of late. Diaw was better than he was credit for.

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    Not about a measuring stick - any game without TP serves no purpose in previewing playoff match-up. It's about gaining a little bit of breathing room for home court over them until Tony gets back.
    Yea but just not get too much from this game

    Let's see the game at Oklahoma April $th 2nd b2b for us and 4th game in 5 nights. Tired team always gives better sight at how they gonna present themselves in the PO

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    Regarding the Harden trade, what makes it hard to understand is that Thunder could have easily keep him with a max extension and stay under the tax by using the amnesty on Perkins this summer. Maybe Thunder ownership is cheap and hasn't allowed a future use of the amnesty on Perkins, maybe Presti made an evaluation mistake. I'm not sure but the financial reasons behind that trade aren't just that obvious.

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    -Speaking of Splitter, a turning point in the first half was when Pop kept his big lineup on the court even though the Thunder went small. Pop was able to do that because Splitter was mobile enough to defend Derek Fisher on the perimeter. That's an almost unheard of cross-matchup but Splitter did well and it allowed Pop to win that game of chess.
    For a second I saw Splitter guarding Fisher and was like wtf? Then I realized there were no other bigs on the floor for Splitter to guard. Interesting move indeed.

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    The Harden trade probably deserved a mention. I thought that was a terrible trade for the Thunder when it happened. Now it looks even more ridiculous. They ended up trading away Harden for like twenty cents on dollar. Mindboggling.
    makes the "Sefolosha on Parker" move impossible.

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    Regarding the Harden trade, what makes it hard to understand is that Thunder could have easily keep him with a max extension and stay under the tax by using the amnesty on Perkins this summer. Maybe Thunder ownership is cheap and hasn't allowed a future use of the amnesty on Perkins, maybe Presti made an evaluation mistake. I'm not sure but the financial reasons behind that trade aren't just that obvious.
    This would have made sense if the lakers were still the favorites. Maybe they thought the lakers will be a force to reckoned with dwight on board.

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    To beat OKC, a team has to overcome between 5 to 10 horrendous calls. I've never seen anything like it.
    Watched many Laker playoff games 1999-2012?

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    If TP played that would have likely taken touches from KL and Tiago who were our best players.
    co sign

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    Speaking of Neal giving westbrook 5 feet of cushion at all times.

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    Tiago was awesome.

    Best game he has ever had IMO. He bailed Tim out!

    He bullied Ibaka. He finessed Perkins. He played exactly to his strengths and others weaknesses. He missed some longer rebounds and could have had a better defensive game inside. Still room for growth. Dare I say he is becoming SMART big man?

    The improvement in his game is right up there with Leonard. Now, for the consistency.

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    I really thought the Spurs were cooked after the first quarter. They showed a lot of heart coming back against the defending conference champions who ousted them last year, especially after getting spanked by Portland in their last game. The win was even more impressive considering it was keyed by role players (Splitter, Leonard, and Green). The Spurs le chances are going to hinge on whether those three can elevate their game in the playoffs like they did last night. If they do, I don't believe OKC can beat San Antonio.

    The defense was the difference compared to last season's back door sweep in the conference finals. The Spurs were aggressive as , netting several steals and making life difficult for OKC on offense all night long. As timvp stated, the Spurs strategy seems to be goading Westbrook into shooting as much as possible. They did the same thing last year, and he seems to shoot poorly against the Spurs frequently. I don't think they can beat the Spurs with Westbrook leading the way.

    The Spurs need to go to Splitter in the post more often. His post moves are improving, and he has great court vision. No idea what the percentages are, but it seems like every time they dump the ball into the post with Splitter it leads to a score or a really good shot attempt. Splitter is one of the best passing big men in the league. With Parker out, he should be utilized more.

    Leonard needs more touches as well. The Spurs are not an iso team, but when the offense breaks down I'd rather have the ball in his hands than anyone else with Parker gone. He can get his shot whenever he wants at this point, and though his shooting accuracy still needs some improvement, I'll take my chances with him anytime.

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    Or we could give Presti credit for getting "Kevin There is no chance you got a Hard(en) on when you got me Martin"? This trade could go down in Western Conference history. Hopefully Harden doesn't come back and bite the Spurs in the division some time soon.

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    Yeah, I don't believe in conspiracies or even the pseudo conspiracy you laid out ....... but something is going on. To beat OKC, a team has to overcome between 5 to 10 horrendous calls. I've never seen anything like it.

    Though, yeah, Stern and Bennett literally being best friends doesn't help conspiracy theory debunkers such as myself.
    Flashbacks of WCF game 6. Smfh

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    Good read, thanks timvp.

    Couldn't even get through the first page without TD 21's obligatory wall of text that no one wants to read.
    +1 tbh.

    How about Tiago doin' work on these mouthbreeders, Jaggy? While the CoP and CoM are catfightin', the Church of The Golden God continues to rise

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    my thoughts are this-portland was an anomaly-much as the time the spurs destroyed portland in portland during the season that robinson was out. the blazers were the team that has nothing to lose and just threw up garbage and it all went in. the 4th was a complete shut down. the spurs just stopped playing.

    as i mentioned in another thread-what thrills me about this win is it shows us what the future holds. the biggest reason we won last night was because of all of our younger players-green, joseph, splitter and leonard. add a future free agent to that mix down the road and the future looks solid.

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    Thw Thunder were a step slower all night. That's basically what happens when you play your 4th game in 5 nights.

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    Um, I don't know which is more disturbing -- the fact that this bag "spursmartyr" is tossing around blatantly hateful jew-baiting language, or the fact that no one bats an eye. Can everyone on this message board really be comfortable with it? I mean, it's sickening.
    You have to blame the owners of the site. They have chosen to run it with virtually no rules or discipline of posters, presumably so they won't drive some posters away. So the fringe element is drawn here because they can use the anonymnity of usernames to carry out their teenage fantasies of shocking the adults in the room. One guy actually posted a video of a naked skateboarder defecating in a public street. That finally got removed, but it took a few days so apparently that represents the outer limit of the permissible along with actual XXX photos. Still, you probably wouldn't want your child on this site.

    Despite all the objectionable aspects, this is probably the best site for discussions about Spurs basketball since there are a few really good posters who know basketball. You just have to tone your moral principles down in order to participate. Think of it as the dilemma of what to do if your wife accidentally drops her wedding ring down into the pit of a privy.

    Personally I think it would be stopped if some of the prominent members got together and agreed that the owners should make and enforce some rules against racist epithets, and obscene/scatological flame remarks. I don't see how some people need them to discuss basketball.

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    Kawhi's improved ball-handling and scoring/running the fast break are very noticable when you compare it to earlier this season. It was more likely that he turn it over rather than score when on a fast break.

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    Gary Neal back in the line up was not a good thing, he made multiple mistakes with the ball in his hands as the PG its only when he catches the ball off screens or penetration that he is effective. Still think Mills should get the nod when Manu is on the floor with the second team.

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    You have to blame the owners of the site. They have chosen to run it with virtually no rules or discipline of posters, presumably so they won't drive some posters away. So the fringe element is drawn here because they can use the anonymnity of usernames to carry out their teenage fantasies of shocking the adults in the room. One guy actually posted a video of a naked skateboarder defecating in a public street. That finally got removed, but it took a few days so apparently that represents the outer limit of the permissible along with actual XXX photos. Still, you probably wouldn't want your child on this site.

    Despite all the objectionable aspects, this is probably the best site for discussions about Spurs basketball since there are a few really good posters who know basketball. You just have to tone your moral principles down in order to participate. Think of it as the dilemma of what to do if your wife accidentally drops her wedding ring down into the pit of a privy.

    Personally I think it would be stopped if some of the prominent members got together and agreed that the owners should make and enforce some rules against racist epithets, and obscene/scatological flame remarks. I don't see how some people need them to discuss basketball.
    I completely agree with this. I missed the specific post in question because, frankly, I've stopped reading spursmartyr's posts, but I think that posters get away with way too much. Racism, sexism, phobia, anti-Semitism, xenophobia, etc. Pick your "ism" and you'll probably find it here. The NBA forum is virtually unreadable at points and upstairs is also starting to suffer as well.

    On the one hand I like that the loose moderation means that we don't have to maintain an air of forced positivity all the time. People like myself can criticize Bonner, Blair, or Pop as vociferously as we like and there's no risk for getting banned. But there does need to be limits because as we've seen in the case of the one poster you're replying to, that hostility towards minorities and whoever else has been "otherized" so to speak makes people feel uneasy about this site. Speaking as a woman who's also a visible minority (and an immigrant to boot), I know that I don't really go downstairs or to the other forums anymore because I'm uncomfortable with what I've seen there.

    But like you said, it's a catch-22. You really can't go anywhere else to talk Spurs basketball because this site has pretty much all the discussion. That said, I do appreciate what the site owners have done in making SpursTalk and they seem like lovely people. What I've tried to do is utilize the Ignore List more, but I mean, it's pretty ridiculous that I'm using the Ignore List more because of these issues than because of poor basketball opinions or whatever.

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    Good read, thanks timvp.



    +1 tbh.

    How about Tiago doin' work on these mouthbreeders, Jaggy? While the CoP and CoM are catfightin', the Church of The Golden God continues to rise
    It's criminal what Pop did to him last year. Criminal, I said!! Pop should have spent last season forcing Tiago to learn how to play next to Tim. I've thought for a while now that they should run the offense more through Tiago. Even when he's not scoring, he makes great plays with his passing and he draws a surprising amount of double teams when he starts backing his man down.

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    Cool story. Surely you can link me to a post where you said this was an obvious Spurs win before the game. TIA.
    Pulling the, if-you-didn't-post-it-on-my-board-beforehand-then-it-didn't-happen card.

    Unfortunately, something came up and I was unable to post before the game yesterday. It's too bad, because I was going to make a bold proclamation in the Spurs loss cop out (or whatever it's called) thread.

    Whether you believe that or not, I don't care . . . but it's not as if I've ever been shy about making predictions nor do I have a reputation of being a liar.

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    It's criminal what Pop did to him last year. Criminal, I said!! Pop should have spent last season forcing Tiago to learn how to play next to Tim. I've thought for a while now that they should run the offense more through Tiago. Even when he's not scoring, he makes great plays with his passing and he draws a surprising amount of double teams when he starts backing his man down.
    Tiago has shown that he does have potential to be consistent in the post and can make the pass to the open defender when they come to double him. If we can continue to play this way with both Tim and Tiago on the court at the same time we're going to have a very productive front court when the playoffs start. This method really works in the slowed pace of the playoffs.

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    Nice read.

    I'm still pretty torn in regards to Neal/Joseph. If Neal is consistently hitting his jumper it's hard to sit him. He's proved he can hit big shots on the biggest stage. If OKC is the matchup I don't mind playing Neal whenever Fisher is out there. I really like Joseph as well and his offense seems better then advertised. He runs the offense well but I'm not so sure how much better he is at creating for others compared to Gary. Gary can do a pretty fine job at it at times.

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