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That doesn't make any sense. At all. That's how you know you have no point. You randomly fly off the handle worse than Russell Westbrook yelling at Thabo and can't admit the obvious supported by evidence.
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Duncan is a cry baby and OKC earns all those calls because they are aggressive!!!
This is applicable to 99.9% of Spur fan posting here partner. Bunch of whiners in here.
My friend you've offered no evidence other than - Tony Parker is aggressive too, but shoots less FT's. Ok. For one, I've acknowledged that fact. Since you obviously didn't read my first post carefully, I'll say it again - YES - TONY PARKER SHOOTS FEWER FREE THROWS EVEN THOUGH HE IS ALSO AN AGGRESSIVE POINT GUARD. So I have agreed with your statistical evidence and argued that point validly by stating (have to type it again for you):
" Never seen Tony Parker dunk the ball in my life. Sure he has, just never seen it. Parker plays below the rim. Parker shoots a lot of floaters and tear drops in comparison to Westbrook. Westbrook goes THRU the defender. Parker will not. He's much more evasive. Noone's concerned about Parker going over them and scoring. Westbrook can dunk over many centers in the league. There's clearly a different defensive approach to playing Westbrook than there would be Parker. I realize Parker shoots less FTs despite his aggression, but you also have to admit the way in which Parker attacks is very much different than Westbrook "
Read! JUst please try and read and comprehend something. You apparently read something and then twist it into some sort of victim agenda you have in your head. It's not that Westbrook is more aggressive, so he shoots more FTs. IT goes beyond that. Sure, that's the basis for many of his free throws, but its the nature in which he attempt to score in comparison to Parker. Now, if you want to argue that the two players penetrate the lane and offer the defense near identical offensive moves, I'd like to hear this one... IS that what you're claiming?
they were in the bonus with like 8 or 9 minutes left
You just called Duncan the biggest complainer in the NBA. There is no twisting that. You became flustered and defensive because you know what is going on - understandable. Just work on being less upset and you will become a better poster.
If you want me to further explain why Parker shoots fewer FTs - Parker has at his disposal the most talented big man in the NBA. Duncan has some serious hands. Westbrook has at his disposal probably the worst hands in the NBA and Ibaka's aren't a whole lot better. Anyone defending OKC knows they can be a little lenient with Perkins. Perkins is clumsy as . If Westbrook penetrates the lane, 98 times out of 100 Westbrook has no intention of doing anything but going right at the rim. WHen Parker penetrates, he's either pulling up for a 12 footer or going to the rim - key difference being he can't play above the rim and cannot take it to the rim against bigs like Westbrook can. So what's he do? He plays a very smart and crafty game. He'll bait the defender into thinking he's going to dish it off - again, easy to do when you've got the likes of Duncan down there. Defenses have to respect that. Or - he baits the defense into thinking he's dishing to the likes of Duncan and gets some uncontested shots at the rim. Defense on Westbrook - no way in he's looking to pass to Perk cuz Perk's re ed on offense. We know Westbrooks going at the rim every time and we'll contest it everytime. Night and day approach. Please don't argue it. It leads to more fouls, naturally
He is! And PErkins is not far behind him. Westbrook and Durant are a little too good at it too. I ain't afraid to admit the truth.
I see you've COMPLETELY refused to address my analysis of how Parker and Westbrook differ in their offensive approach in the lane. Very convenient!
No - I didn't fail to address it. I just refuse to continue to engage someone who gets so flustered when their points get proven inaccurate (like you just did). I made my point (you failed to address Perkins moving screens and how those non-calls impact other teams and their ability to get into the bonus/hit more FT's) and showed the holes in your logic. There is nothing else to argue IMO.
Kevin Durant is 50x the whiner Duncan has ever been, or will ever be. God damn Oklahoma City fans are really making a run with Houston fans for the stupidest, most homerific fanbase in the history of ST, and that says a lot considering you've had all of three fans on this board.
Thanks for confirming that you have not, in fact, watched more than one or two seasons of basketball in your life, and just like to parrot what BSPN says while wanking to your frontrunning team.
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/pl...technicalFouls
Whine on that, homer.
The suggestion that KENDRICK PERKINS has favor with NBA referees is absurd. Moving screens go uncalled in the NBA all the time. I do not see Perkins getting away with an unusual # of screen. NOw - Again - WHY is it that you think Parker should be shooting as many FTs as Westbrook? Because he's aggressive? Go give some consideration to my comparison of Westbrook and Parker and tell me it doesn't complete sense and would naturally result in more fouls called on Westbrook.
Your assement of Parkers game is faulty as well as is your conclusion. None of that is supported by a shred of evidence outside of the eye ball test of WB being a more athletic player (TP is faster, but let's not go there). The fact is TP finishes at the rim as much as WB if not more (statistical fact), same with PITP. Your assessment of TP's skills are correct, but your implementation of how that impacts the numbers is off because TP gets all the way to the rim and finishes (so not the skill shots you claim) as much as WB.
Also, WB shoots plenty of those pull up 12 foot shots. Plenty. Probably more than TP.
Hey buddy - go up a few posts and see where, by my own admission, Kevin Durant whines too much. You think I don't realize Durant whines about no calls? Fully aware of it and fully admitted it. Thanks.
Kevin Durant is 50x the whiner Duncan has ever been, or will ever be. God damn Oklahoma City fans are really making a run with Houston fans for the stupidest, most homerific fanbase in the history of ST, and that says a lot considering you've had all of three fans on this board.
Thanks for confirming that you have not, in fact, watched more than one or two seasons of basketball in your life, and just like to parrot what BSPN says while wanking to your frontrunning team.
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/pl...technicalFouls
Whine on that, homer.
It's not Perk.
It's OKC as a team, as a whole.
Your team is going to be just as good whether you admit the ref bias or not. The fact that you can't says a lot about how rose-tinted those glasses are.
Care to respond to this? Or are you just going to bandy about the fact that you have two athletic players who drive and convince yourself that the rest of the NBA is a plodding turd?The interesting thing is that, earlier this year, OKC was far and away #1, and deep into the season, they are still #1 by a huge margin.
They shoot 0.282 FT/FGA, and that is 0.047 FT/FGA more than the 2nd team (surprise surprise) LA Lakers. When you put that into perspective, that is the same difference as #2 LA Lakers with #21 Trail Blazers.
As the WC teams are fighting for the #6 to 8 seed, I would like to track the FT/FGA of these teams for the final 20 or so games.
As we speak:
LA Lakers is #2 with 0.235
Rockets are #3 with 0.231
Jazz are #6 with 0.225
Warriors are #13 with 0.209
Let's see how those numbers evolve.
EDIT:
The numbers posted above were FTM/FGA, so it is not really indicative of what I am trying to accomplish. I have recalculated those numbers based on FTA/FGA.
The interesting thing is that OKC is no longer THAT far ahead in terms of numbers, they shot 0.341 FTA/FGA, only 0.00376 more than 2nd place LAL. At the same time, LAL is 0.02547 more than 3rd place MIN, which is the same difference as #3 from #12 IND. Put that in perspective, the only difference larger between a team's FTA/FTM with the next ranked than the LAL-MIN difference is between the #28 ranked Suns and #29 ranked 76ers, with a difference of 0.03793. The next biggest difference is between the Pistons and the Kings of 0.00918, and that is about 40% difference than the LAL-MIN difference. In other words, the difference between #2 ranked LAL and #3 ranked MIN is HUGE.
As of yesterday, the 4 teams of interest have the following numbers:
LAL, #2, 0.337
HOU, #5, 0.305
UTA, #8, 0.293
GSW, #19, 0.261
Hey buddy -- you posted that after I was responding, AND you said Duncan is worse. Laughable. Every player in the league has beef with the refs. Durant gets more calls than any player in NBA history and still leads the league in ing about how unfair his treatment is. Thanks.
I'm watching the Heat game right now and Lebron's getting the Durant treatment. 2 times in a row the Hawks have played perfect defense and both times the ref called a foul. Oh an then called a tech on the Hawks for reacting to the horrible foul call. Lebron and Durant will near unbeatable come playoffs with the star treatment they will inevitably receive, and the Heat are already probably going to win it anyways.
You see, numbers are numbers, but there's context around those numbers that can't be quantified. Of course TP finishes at the rim - he does so uncontested a LOT more than Westbrook. Why? Because he has a skilled offensive frontcourt surrounding him that the defense has to respect. They'll take that bait sometimes and he'll go uncontested. Make sense?
Every player in the league gets the Durant treatment occasionally. The issue is, Durant gets it EVERY GAME, home or away.
Never watched a Spurs game in his life.
I've never seen Duncan get ejected for screaming " YOU" at a ref over only getting 99.9% of the calls instead of the usual 100%, tbh....
I can admit that Kevin gets the benefit of the whistle frequently. The problem with San Antonio Heat fans is they can't admit the same for Lebrick.
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