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    Ginobili was just giving a confidence boost to Kawhi and Timmy. Only a leader would do that.

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    We're talking about this because of the let down tonight but give it a few more games and Manu will have a decent night and we'll have posts about him not being washed up. He's 36, still can be productive for that age and can still do more than half the players in the league who are in there 20's.

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    watch Timvp give him a C
    Jesus the over use of the smiley.

    Technical. Get off the board.

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    You think Manu didn't play horrible today or yesterday for starters
    Manu was bad tonight
    I'm starting to think your reading is as bad as your predictions, tbh...

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    I'm starting to think your reading is as bad as your predictions, tbh...
    And you think he's not been horrible all season. He's finished and is more of a liability than an asset. Sorry to break it to you.

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    Manu is definitely not "done," but he can no longer be counted on to consistently provide a certain type of production. If he puts up big numbers... great. If not, it shouldn't be surprising.

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    ball moves better when manu is running the PG spot anyways...

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    We're talking about this because of the let down tonight but give it a few more games and Manu will have a decent night and we'll have posts about him not being washed up. He's 36, still can be productive for that age and can still do more than half the players in the league who are in there 20's.
    True.

    But its not our Ginobili. His role has got to change. He tries to do too much because he competes so hard. Part of being a compe or is a degree of stubborness.

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    I think Ginobili just needs to realize that he doesn't have to dominate the ball every possession for the bench to be effective.

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    Manu is definitely not "done," but he can no longer be counted on to consistently provide a certain type of production. If he puts up big numbers... great. If not, it shouldn't be surprising.
    I agree with this, at 36 he's still very viable for a spark and output off the bench but he's not averaging 20 a game.

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    And you think he's not been horrible all season. He's finished and is more of a liability than an asset. Sorry to break it to you.
    Production-wise, he's still the 3rd best Spur player this season. Factual. (http://www.82games.com/1213/1213SAS.HTM)

    Your takes are generally terrible, so your opinion is largely unimportant, as usual.

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    Manu is definitely not "done," but he can no longer be counted on to consistently provide a certain type of production. If he puts up big numbers... great. If not, it shouldn't be surprising.
    Pretty much what I told DPG on the game thread. Spurs will need more from Kawhi (missing today) and Green (didn't shoot great today) at this stage.

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    Ya cant help yourself.
    Step back from the smileys.
    Admit addiction.

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    True.

    But its not our Ginobili. His role has got to change. He tries to do too much because he competes so hard. Part of being a compe or is a degree of stubborness.
    Yes, but a lot of the recent inconsistancy is because Pop wants him to have the ball in his hands with the second team and then wants him to play with the starters etc. When TP comes back he'll get back into bench play and will spark it when he has to. I wonder how many minutes he'll get during the playoffs, Green has been a lot better lately and Kawhi is solid.

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    ive been saying Ginobili's been trash the entire season
    this game was so bad it was worthy of making a thread about it
    spurfan can play the non issue, one game, hes tired hes been playing 20 minutes with timeouts and halftimes every other day excuses but you deep down no he just isnt the same player anymore
    at 36 it is to be expected
    i should probably add Leonard should be with the bench more as well with offense run through him
    and not through the other TOSB Jackson who manages to ruin his one good game of the year by complaining about every single call
    cant believe the pussy refs havent given him a tech yet

    also add that since Tiago has gone to the starting lineup the bench as gone downhill fast
    spurs had the leading bench in the nba ppg wise at one point now theyre sitting at around 6-7th and its getting worse every game
    Yeah Sjax and Manu seem like a bad combination of turnover prone players to me but I don't think there's an easy fix for that one, next year I'd play Boris at the backup 3 after he loses some more weight and let Jax walk.

    But they should have been playing Baynes as Tim backup since the very day he got here. Tim looks bad/tired as well anyway so the 3 big men rotation doesn't sound like a very smart idea at this point and our rebounding is still subpar especially with Tiago/Diaw together, would give the bench a big target as well on O.

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    Normally you would move Manu to the starting lineup to reduce his ball-handling role a bit, but the problem is that Green isn't really a shot creator. So the Spurs are kind of stuck there.

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    Ginobilis advanced stats are padded playing against scrubs and projected over the course how ever many minutes they use for these made up stats
    the fact that he is a liability vs the 10 day contracters the wolves were throwing out there tells it all

    Ginobili should be with the starters but at this point its to late
    he has terrible numbers with the starting lineup and green is doing well enough is his place
    vs the Lakers Popovich will need to start him though to take advantage of Nash
    Ginobili could still start and play with the bench and so could Tiago
    but Popovich has completely given up on the idea of micromanaging his frontline and will roll with the turds for 10 minute stretches
    doubt add micromanaging the 2 spot on top of that

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    I think Manu transferred his talents over to Kawhi. Kind of like that ball in Spacejam

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    Tim won't play b2b games, Baynes will get his next season after a camp and he starts to develop more. Jax needs to stay, we're short on wing players who can actually play physical and I don't see us drafting or bringing anyone over this offseason or exploring free agency. Jax will take a paycut and stay on

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    Ginobilis advanced stats are padded playing against scrubs and projected over the course how ever many minutes they use for these made up stats
    the fact that he is a liability vs the 10 day contracters the wolves were throwing out there shows tell it all
    Only one player shot worse than Gino tonight... it's on your nickname... the same guy that had a double-double last night against OKC...

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    Luv his compe iveness, but he's getting older now & his overall game isn't as what it used to be... one would think he'd be playing smarter out there, instead he's just making way too many mistakes with all those difficult passes turning into turnovers, missed free throws, & so on.
    KL should be ahead of him now as the 3rd option on offense (the kid should have been in the lineup tonight instead... looks like Pop is more worried about KL getting injured than Manu in the big picture; if so, then I can live with tonight's loss).

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    Normally you would move Manu to the starting lineup to reduce his ball-handling role a bit, but the problem is that Green isn't really a shot creator. So the Spurs are kind of stuck there.
    Yes I think it's the one move that could work but Pop I think don't want his beloved Danny to lose confidence so I don't see it. Like freetiago said, make KY the bench leader in that case, with Joseph bringing up the ball and letting him make plays. But that gets complicated rotation wise.

    Tim Baynes
    Tiago Boris
    KY taken out early for SJax, come back for whoever is playing worse of Manu/Sjax when TP comes out
    Manu Green
    TP Cojo

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    we just got screwed by the refs tbh, manu and tiago were both getting hacked and the refs weren't calling

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    Yes, but a lot of the recent inconsistancy is because Pop wants him to have the ball in his hands with the second team and then wants him to play with the starters etc. When TP comes back he'll get back into bench play and will spark it when he has to. I wonder how many minutes he'll get during the playoffs, Green has been a lot better lately and Kawhi is solid.

    He cant go wild man to the basket anymore. He was so athletic he would draw a foul or even an and one. But now its a block and back the other way. He has got to be smarter with his penetrations. He is physically not the same man. I expect him to adjust. He is too thoughtful after the games, he cares too much. He watches film talks with Pop and he finds his way.

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    I been saying it from day 1 of this season. Manu needs to adjust his game a la Jason Kidd, and stay away from trying to play through his body like Kobe. Unfortunately he seems psychologically incapable of adjusting. It's pathetic and sad to watch tbh

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