Ginobili has been a major disappointment for a year and a half. If he wants to get a new good contract, he better have great playoffs because, otherwise, they are no way you can justified Spurs offering him an above average salary.
That can be said about a lot of the Spurs, I remember TP living at the line when he'd drive, when Tim came into the league he could get the call same with Manu and now not so much. I think he'll adjust but the problem is he has flashes which can trick you into believing that you still have the same ability you had 5 or 6 years ago. I think it'll take the offseason especially with the contract deal for him to really see what game he has left.
Right, it didn't have anything to do with the fact that almost no one on the team could hit a shot.
He's a warrior but needs to adapt his game. Also B2Bs just kill him.
What's becoming clear is that outside TP/TD/Manu/Kawhi/Tiago and to an extent Green, this team is solid garbage. I'll leave out CoJo and Baynes because they just walked into the team. Even Neal looks questionable as far as playing any kind of extended minutes.
Tiago?
Yep. I said this a while ago when someone was ing about Manu playing poorly during a game when Tony also played poorly. Some people think Pop should have some secret Soviet strategy to lead the Spurs to wins when Tony doesn't play well, or is faced with a tough matchup (like Sefolosha). Unless Tony goes for 35/game during the postseason, you're gong to have to get big contributions from Manu. When Manu can't do it, it's going to have to be Green. It's already a given that Splitter and Kawhi are going to have to be steady contributors.
I'm not saying anything that isn't obvious. But I just want to make the point that there really isn't a "Big 3" anymore. It has to be a total team effort. When one or two guys have off days, Tony is going to have to go for big numbers. It's not like the old days when you could count on Tim, Manu AND Tony to pick up everyone else's slack. That's what separates the Spurs from teams like the Heat and Thunder. Minimal contributions from a guy like Chalmers can put the Heat over the top. The Spurs need more than just one "extra" guy pitching in.
yeah, just edited the post
The 'star' of this team has been the 'system' since Tim declined. So yeah, completely agree. Unfortunately, when the 'system' breaks down, we're much more easy to prey on.
B-b-b-b-but... the win-shares...
sigh, Parker has been the star Nono
He's been the best player. He's not a star though, and I mean no disrespect with that (I'll add Manu never been a star caliber player either).sigh, Parker has been the star Nono
Franchise player was Tim. And he got old.
Tony being out is clearly exposing our weaknesses. We do need a team effort. Leonard, Tiago, and Green, in that order, are going to have to play well in the playoffs when we get past the first round. I still think we are a better team than last year.
For the last 3 years, the 'star' of the team has been Tony captaining the offense and Tim anchoring the defense. Now Tim has some help. Tony is going to need some too.
Parker is not a star? mmm ok. and this is on the same thread you claim you are not delusional.
Very true.
We got lucky to see him play so many seasons. If he played in NY and brought 4 championships, he would be God.
Just for the record, the three active NBA players with the highest win % are Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili.
Tony has been successful within the system, but Tony doesn't need the system to be successful. The system has been great, but Tony has carried the team during periods when Manu and Tim were sidelined, and "the system" consisted of him matching opposing stars basket for basket. He's not a star for doing it a few times over the past few seasons, he's a star for doing consistently over the past few seasons.
Thread derailed
point of the thread is Manu cant be the sole shot creator/ball handler on the floor
Tiago with him in the pick and rolls which is still questionable since Turnobili will still skip pass it or turn it over
Tiago in the post
Leonard in the pick and roll/post
extended minutes for Parker to play with the bench
or early subs out for parker to play with the bench more
It's the system, IMO. Obviously you have more or less talented players. It's the reason we could offset cancers like Mason JR or RJ and still win 50 games.
There's nothing delusional about it. I'm talking franchise-caliber players. On the Spurs in the past 9 years, that's only Tim.Parker is not a star? mmm ok. and this is on the same thread you claim you are not delusional.
If you want to say 'All-Star', sure, we had a few. But this league always been about franchise-caliber players, and the Spurs really haven't had one in years. The system is what keeps the team on a winning rampage (at least regular season).
Manu is high risk high reward player at this point in his career. He can take over games in stretches. He is assist & T.O rate are both at career highs. In terms of PER 36- 7.1 asts/ 3.3 T.O.
The bench is much less potent without him. Jackson, Diaw, Neal. You can't tell me he doesn't make them better by just being on the floor. At the very least he draws attention from defenses because he can attack the rim or pull up for a 3. Thats why Blair and Splitter play so well with him. He is hard to stop when he is running the P&R.
IMO, Tony moves to a situation like Deron did, and he doesn't win 50 games season after season and makes the playoffs consistently. There's no way to prove it, but that particular case to me it's pretty close as far as moving from a solid, stable system and role to taking over a franchise.
EDIT: And I mean no slight to Tony, or are not trying to downplay his talent. He's definitely all-star caliber, and to be frank there's only very few franchise talent in the league as a whole.
and LOL at people always saying its the system
the system is tim tony and manu
they run pick and rolls and draw help
who kick it out to open players
thats the system
other offball movement and cuts outside of pick and rolls is the spurs system
its just playing smart basketball
the system cant be run without Tim Tony and Manu doing there thing
or now it cant be run without Tim and Tony
The definition of what a star is...?
Top 20 in the NBA all time?
Only Duncan makes that list.
Is Parker more of a star than Chauncey Billups to all who have watched the NBA for 15 years?
It's absurd to say that Tony hasn't been the star of the team because he isn't a "franchise player" like Duncan. You won't find 10 other players in the history of the game who have been franchise players like Duncan.
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