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He might even be a better choice than Irving because from the looks of it he's made of glass.
BTW, does DPG think the Spurs should have risked trading for a long three yet?
He might even be a better choice than Irving because from the looks of it he's made of glass.
Yeah, the big hands guy..
Hill's growth was only able to happen because he got more playing time and got to be one of the "men." The team is/was too stacked at the wings. Hill costs too much for what he was giving. He likely would not have improved the same way without experiences and time. So yeah, it would have never worked out due to opportunities.
...and good for Georgie that he got to play for his home team, and start to boot.
Yeah, probably the most win-win trade in the last couple of years..
Well he didn't start right away. He actually earned it. Unfortunately, the Spurs have a few players just better that never would have left him start.
Yeah, one for SA and one for Austin.
I know it's a small sample size but...
George Hill- PER 16.8
Cory Joseph-PER 15.8
George Hill can take it to the rack off the dribble
he can hit the mid range shot coming off screens
and as a spot up shooter he was elite as well
defense was better then Josephs as well with his freak length
the Hill Neal Ginobili Bonner Blair lineup was actually the most offensive efficient lineup in the nba in 2011 iirc
Hills only problem was his inconsistency
i know it wasnt really possible but if the Spurs were able to find a way to sign hill then our bench would be deadly
hill
ginobili
jackson
diaw
splitter/baynes
if we got lucky and were able to get scola too...
George Hill was a very average defender at times. He had a few great defensive games, but he was at best, just above average on the defensive end.
He used his arms to recover all the time after his man had gotten past him. Never moved his feet well.
Cojo has the potential to be a better defender. Cory at least moves his feet and can stick with his man most of the time.
Yeah from what I remember George had lead feet.
I would give up de Colo, Mills and Neal to get George back.
Hill is going to stay a pacer unless some other team goes stupid with paying him. He'll give either the pacers or the spurs a discount of around 95 cents on the dollar but not much more. Spurs don't need him at either PG or SG and he's a small sg, his PG skills are now adequate but its important to remember the pacers run a motion offense that is actuated as much by high post passing as by the PG.
Didn't the Pacers already do that?
Does everyone understand that this was a good trade for both teams, and George Hill is actually really good.
George Hill advanced Stats
Season Age Tm Lg Pos G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48 2008-09 22 SAS NBA PG 77 1270 11.6 .502 .435 2.9 11.9 7.4 16.6 1.9 1.2 14.5 19.5 101 104 0.2 2.0 2.1 .080 2009-10 23 SAS NBA PG 78 2276 14.7 .572 .529 2.2 8.2 5.3 15.5 1.6 0.8 10.7 19.0 115 106 4.1 2.6 6.7 .142 2010-11 24 SAS NBA PG 76 2148 14.6 .588 .514 1.3 9.2 5.4 13.6 1.6 0.7 11.6 18.2 116 108 4.0 2.1 6.1 .136 2011-12 25 IND NBA PG 50 1274 15.7 .557 .513 2.8 10.5 6.7 18.8 1.7 1.1 10.8 17.2 117 105 2.8 1.3 4.0 .152 2012-13 26 IND NBA PG 60 2078 16.8 .564 .527 2.0 10.5 6.3 24.1 1.5 0.8 11.5 19.2 117 102 4.7 3.1 7.8 .181 Career NBA 341 9046 14.9 .563 .511 2.1 9.8 6.0 17.6 1.6 0.9 11.6 18.7 114 105 15.7 11.1 26.8 .142
That WS ranks him 21st in the league. That's only 1 statistical measure, so look at a Adjusted +/- measure.
From (http://talkingpracticeblog.com/)
George is 39th in the league in impact.(Again, an estimate)
If he's close to that, his $8 million contract is good value.
Getting that for #15 and #42 is a great deal.
It's possible to recognise that
a) The Spurs won the trade, as Kawhi on #15 pick rookie scale is a better deal than George Hill on 8m and
b) George Hill at $8million is a good deal.
you know that you need 5 starters first, if you are talking about a bench, right? (TP+TD!....bonner? blair? neal?)
A couple of thoughts- great for both teams-
1 Indy did not need a small forward- see George and Granger
2 SA did not really need a combo guard and needed a 3.
3 Overall I think Hill is what he is going to be at this time, while Kawhi has potential to be better than he is currently (how much I am clueless)
4 Spurs also got an intriguing prospect in Bertams at 42
Right now pretty even trade- let's check back in a few years and this may seem like highway robbery (Or least a Lakeresque trade)
[QUTOE]Originally Posted by Seventyniner
Kawhi could very well end up as the second-best player in that whole draft. Amazing.[/QUOTE]
At the moment Leonard is the second best. Irving isn't the best.
Win Shares:
1) Kenneth Faried
2) Kawhi Leonard
3) Kyrie Irving
4) Chandler Parsons
5) Isaiah Thomas
35) Cory Joseph
That point is moot. The Pacers didn't have to draft Leonard at all. They could have drafted a completely different player at a completely different position.
At the moment Leonard is the second best. Irving isn't the best.
Win Shares:
1) Kenneth Faried
2) Kawhi Leonard
3) Kyrie Irving
4) Chandler Parsons
5) Isaiah Thomas
35) Cory Joseph[/QUOTE]
I think KL would have had more WS if he didn't miss that crucial stretch of games. Faried has stayed healthy OTOH.
Players available at #15:
Nikola Vucevic, Iman Shumpert, Tobias Harris, Donatas Motiejunas to name a few. All could have fitted a need for Indiana.
...for a team with forwards that are great passers and no real backup point guard, this is true, but only because Hill blew up this season. George Hill at 8 mil for the Spurs would have been one of the worst contracts in history.
Would you rather have any of these guys rather than George Hill? Serious question.
To other posters: a PER of 16.8 doesn't point towards a player who is "actually really good" but rather "actually a bit above average" (same holds for Kawhi). I like Kawhi's potential a lot more than Hill's, at this stage. I can't see how this isn't a great win-win trade, in any case.
Just watched some of Lakers-Paces game. Hill was raping Nash down the stretch, but for inexplicable reasons, the ball went to Stevenson and others, then the ball game. As much as we fans disagree with Pop for this or that decision, this shows that overall he is still the best coach.
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