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    http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/...tory?track=rss

    There are, in increasingly frightening numbers, cells of angry men in the United States preparing for combat with the U.S. government. They are usually heavily armed, blinded by an intractable hatred, often motivated by religious zeal.They're not jihadists. They are white, right-wing Americans, nearly all with an obsessive attachment to guns, who may represent a greater danger to the lives of American civilians than international terrorists.
    The Southern Poverty Law Center, which has been tracking hate groups for 30 years, released its latest report on the growth of these organizations this week. Its findings were, to say the least, alarming. The center divides its subjects into militias, which are mostly groups of weekend warriors who train for combat against imaginary foes; hate groups, which target minorities; and "patriot" groups, whose beef is with the U.S. government. Patriot groups first began surfacing after the massacre of a bizarre sect by federal agents in Waco, Texas, in the early 1990s. They showed their teeth in 1995, when a patriot adherent blew up the federal building in Oklahoma City.
    Since then, the patriot movement has been growing at a blistering pace, especially following the election of PresidentObama in 2008, according to the report. From just 149 groups in 2008, the number jumped to 512 in 2009 and has been rising sharply since. In 2012, it hit 1,360. Now that Obama is seriously pushing for tougher gun laws, further growth is a near certainty. The result? There's no knowing, but some kind of serious attack is increasingly possible.
    Patriot groups are motivated by a host of anti-government at udes, but their primary focus is guns. They are convinced that the government is out to seize their weapons, even though most legislation is focused on keeping guns out of the hands of criminals or restricting the types of weapons that can be sold. Many are also united by belief in an outlandish one-world government conspiracy theorypositing that the United Nations is poised to strip away American property rights and impose socialism on us all.
    What can be done to reverse this tide of belligerent ignorance? Not much. The typical patriot acts within his free-speech and 2nd Amendment rights, and in fact most patriot activity consists of venting steam by meeting with like-minded Neanderthals and firing off blog posts threatening civil war. Yet such blather tends to get under the skin of the Timothy McVeighs of the world. These groups should be closely monitored, with resources adequate to the task, even if it means shifting some homeland security money from the hunt for foreign terrorists.


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    get ready for the false flag attack which will be blamed on patriots..and all the liberals will buy it even though you heard it here first

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    firing off blog posts threatening civil war
    I bet that one hit close to home

    It's an opinion piece, and I agree with the majority on the poll, tbh...

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    Patriot groups. Call them what they are, a bunch of paranoid sluggards.

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    get ready for the false flag attack which will be blamed on patriots..and all the liberals will buy it even though you heard it here first
    Kinda like Oklahoma City, right?


    These photos are purported to be of an area near Camp Gruber-Braggs, Oklahoma in early April of 1995

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    Southern Poverty Law Center

    That bunch of commie s has ZERO credibility

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    Kinda like Oklahoma City, right?


    These photos are purported to be of an area near Camp Gruber-Braggs, Oklahoma in early April of 1995
    OMG! There is is! The ONLY Ryder truck on the planet, the one destroyed in OKC!

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    Southern Poverty Law Center

    That bunch of commie s has ZERO credibility
    Why is that?

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    They've got their issues.

    "He paused. “We’re not really set up to cover the extreme Left.”
    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...les-c-w-cooke#

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    They've got their issues.

    "He paused. “We’re not really set up to cover the extreme Left.”
    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...les-c-w-cooke#
    So does that article/post, if I'm honest.

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    I play pretty, no? TeyshaBlue's Avatar
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    So does that article/post, if I'm honest.
    Yeah...it's not a death dealer. But there are some questionable positions stated.

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    the SPLC focuses on certain types of extremist groups and not others. doesn't mean the methodology or conclusions they reach are biased or inaccurate.

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    I find outrage over "selective outrage" outrageous tbh. if the national review wants left-wing extremist groups investigated, they should investigate by all means.

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    I play pretty, no? TeyshaBlue's Avatar
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    the SPLC focuses on certain types of extremist groups and not others. doesn't mean the methodology or conclusions they reach are biased or inaccurate.
    Focus is the mechanic of bias. You know this, right?

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    National Review. SPLC.

    One of these things is not like the other.

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    I play pretty, no? TeyshaBlue's Avatar
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    I'm not beating up on the SPLC. They are what they are. Like the ACLU, I generally fall on their side. But not exclusively. Which is ok, too. But to deny SPLC has an ideologically driven political agenda is disingenuous at best.

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    Focus is the mechanic of bias. You know this, right?
    They have a niche. If you disagree with their conclusions that's one thing, but to disregard their findings on certain hate groups because they didn't investigate OWS is not reasonable.

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    I play pretty, no? TeyshaBlue's Avatar
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    They have a niche. If you disagree with their conclusions that's one thing, but to disregard their findings on certain hate groups because they didn't investigate OWS is not reasonable.
    I'm not disregarding their conclusions. Just realize that they're not inherently unbiased.

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    When I pick and choose what I want to determine, under the guise of openness and fairness, well, the smell test seems to come into play.

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    I'm not disregarding their conclusions. Just that they're not inherently unbiased.
    you're not, perhaps. but the discussion began with someone laughing off the SPLC as commies with no credibilty, and continued with your defense of that position.

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    you're not, perhaps. but the discussion began with someone laughing off the SPLC as commies with no credibilty, and continued with your defense of that position.
    I did not state they had no credibility. I stated that SPLC has their issues in response to Chump's "Why is that?" question.

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    Any Christian group in the United States that does not support same sex marriage is called a hate group by the SPLC. Muslim groups that don't support same sex marriage (all of them) aren't classified as hate groups..

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    Any Christian group in the United States that does not support same sex marriage is called a hate group by the SPLC. Muslim groups that don't support same sex marriage (all of them) aren't classified as hate groups..
    That's where you get zero credibility from?

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    why do these guys even "train" if hits the fan like they are so ready to believe, they'll just get droned.

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    why do these guys even "train" if hits the fan like they are so ready to believe, they'll just get droned.
    I'm sure they use the term loosely. The CHL class given at my ranch last weekend by the local constable would probably be branded as "training by a hate group" by the SPLC.

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