Aron Baynes, Nando De Colo Both Assigned To Austin Toros

[Strategic]

Well, here's what you said three years ago about Splitter.

TJastal in his best Steve Erkel voice, "Did I say that"?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It has nothing to do with talent and everything to do with the offensive and defensive sets. When you are watching Baynes play you can see he is getting used to the defensive 3 seconds rule. He is attentive but he is brand new to the league. Add in to that how he needs to anticipate who needs help when what angles and spacing he is expected take on pnr defense. On offense he is not going to know the plays nor how to run the motion offense. Where to space on screens, when to post, how to anticipate what his teammates are going to do etc.

Add into that how his teammates also need to learn him and it becomes a snafu when you are midway through the season. He is laready having to integrate CoJo with the other guys.

Splitter was hurt and hurt a lot. When you miss the 20 straight practice days prior to the season that is going to hinder you. When you miss months during the middle of a season it is going to hinder you. And also Splitter up until this year lacked core strength. You could tell on rebounds because he would get pushed on and he got bent over like Gumby. He had a reputation for being soft for very good reason.

Splitter is getting playing time this year because he knows the system, he is healthy, and he is physically able to compete in the NBA. Now what season prior to this one can you say that about?

Baynes is physically prepared to play in the NBA. You can tell because he overpowers people on the glass. What drew my eye was someone trying to post his up and he just lifter his leg and uprooted the post player. He got called for a foul but he needs to learn how to translate that power to the NBA game. He also is not used to the speed on the NBA game.

We have seen him run, jump, move laterally etc and it appears that he is physically capable. He is healthy but he does not know the system. We only have a dozen or so games left before the playoffs. Maybe you guys play too much NBA 2k13 or something because it just doesn't work that way. Baynes is not going to get his shot until next season and that should be self evident. Let's hope he can wrap his head around the Spurs system and the NBA game. He hasn't yet.

[TJastal]

With Bonner and Blair alternating between the fourth and fifth big then that will give him minutes if Blair does leave. If Baynes shows real progress with those minutes then he will get some time. Getting his first summer league experience this year should help him.

Right on. Compared to what he's used to he's probably learned a ton playing in just a few short stints in the much ballyhooed summer league.

[TJastal]

Well, here's what you said three years ago about Splitter:Forgive us if we don't trust your scouting abilities.

Lol bringing up 3 year old "projections"of Splitter while he was still playing in Europe.

[freetiago]

He played for the Australian National team which runs the Spurs sets and is coached by Brett Brown
Diaw came in middle of the season and was thrown into the starting lineup
he said something along the lines of playing with France and running the Spurs sets is why he could

need a better excuse then that tbh
He doesnt even have to leave the paint on defense
on offense his role will be screens and pick and pop jumpers
the hardest part would be learning how to set back screens and setting screens to free up shooters
and since hes playing with the bench the role isnt even as complicated
its just Ginobili pick and roll all the time
the starting lineup is where the plays get more intricate

[ChumpDumper]

Lol bringing up 3 year old "projections"of Splitter while he was still playing in Europe.

Hey, you wrote them.

Turns out you were about as wrong as you could possibly be.

You're pretty terrible at this. That's just one example.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Chumpdumper is dead right on this one but can't be bothered to properly explain it, so here's Fuzzy doing it for him:

It has nothing to do with talent and everything to do with the offensive and defensive sets. When you are watching Baynes play you can see he is getting used to the defensive 3 seconds rule. He is attentive but he is brand new to the league. Add in to that how he needs to anticipate who needs help when what angles and spacing he is expected take on pnr defense. On offense he is not going to know the plays nor how to run the motion offense. Where to space on screens, when to post, how to anticipate what his teammates are going to do etc.

Add into that how his teammates also need to learn him and it becomes a snafu when you are midway through the season. He is laready having to integrate CoJo with the other guys.

Splitter was hurt and hurt a lot. When you miss the 20 straight practice days prior to the season that is going to hinder you. When you miss months during the middle of a season it is going to hinder you. And also Splitter up until this year lacked core strength. You could tell on rebounds because he would get pushed on and he got bent over like Gumby. He had a reputation for being soft for very good reason.

Splitter is getting playing time this year because he knows the system, he is healthy, and he is physically able to compete in the NBA. Now what season prior to this one can you say that about?

Baynes is physically prepared to play in the NBA. You can tell because he overpowers people on the glass. What drew my eye was someone trying to post his up and he just lifter his leg and uprooted the post player. He got called for a foul but he needs to learn how to translate that power to the NBA game. He also is not used to the speed on the NBA game.

We have seen him run, jump, move laterally etc and it appears that he is physically capable. He is healthy but he does not know the system. We only have a dozen or so games left before the playoffs. Maybe you guys play too much NBA 2k13 or something because it just doesn't work that way. Baynes is not going to get his shot until next season and that should be self evident. Let's hope he can wrap his head around the Spurs system and the NBA game. He hasn't yet.

BANE!!! is not ready to play anything but garbage minutes yet because he does not know how to play in the NBA, nor the Spurs' systems. It's as simple as that. He is a great addition for next year and beyond, but that's all he was brought in for.

We will live and die by the guys who know how to play the system, and that's all there is to it.

Interesting that NDC has been relegated. I think this tells us Pop is going to go with Joseph/Neal as the backup PG... let's hope more CoJo than Neal!

[ChumpDumper]

He played for the Australian National team which runs the Spurs sets and is coached by Brett Brown
Diaw came in middle of the season and was thrown into the starting lineup
he said something along the lines of playing with France and running the Spurs sets is why he could

need a better excuse then that tbh

Boris Diaw played in the NBA for eight seasons.

[Pop]

He's ready enough to be the fourth big we need, to be the guy who makes our rebounding better, improves the interior D of the bench and allows us to pair Tiago and Boris as little as possible.

He has the skills, the mental for ude and the physique. When you have that much on the table, you make sure to make him ready, no but no if.

Funny how he said he wanted to be a Reggie Evans when he already too good of a shooter to be anything like him.

[Capt Bringdown]

Baynes doesn't have to be "good" right now. We could give him Blair's limited minutes because Blair simply isn't able to rebound or defend at an NBA level.
Maybe Baynes can't either, but it's worth a shot. What's there to lose?

[freetiago]

Boris Diaw played in the NBA for eight seasons.

but he hasnt played in the fabled Spurs system which takes at least 2 years to learn i thought
he came in the middle of a lockout season with 0 practices and fit right in
lol at how bad these excuses are

[ChumpDumper]

Baynes doesn't have to be "good" right now.

[ChumpDumper]

but he hasnt played in the fabled Spurs system which takes at least 2 years to learn i thought
he came in the middle of a lockout season with 0 practices and fit right in
lol at how bad these excuses are

So you're choosing to ignore eight seasons of NBA experience.

Sounds like something you'd do tbh. Let me know how it works out for you.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Blair is actually a pretty good pnr defender. He falls asleep on his rotations though.

Baynes doesn't know the angles to take, the spacing to zone it up, nor is he used to the speed on the NBA players on pnr. You can see it when he is playing 3rd string guys. NBA teams run a TON of pnr and you can tell he doesn't know how to defend it. You think Blair is bad on rotations? Baynes doesn't even know where the help is supposed to come from much less if or how he is supposed to cover for that if it's his rotation.

He is completely lost on offense and if he is not posting up or screening he just wanders around. He is not going to know the cuts or the plays even when he is on the ball.

He's a new toy; I get that and I always hope that we blow teams out so I can watch him some more but he is not remotely ready.

[TJastal]

Baynes doesn't have to be "good" right now. We could give him Blair's limited minutes because Blair simply isn't able to rebound or defend at an NBA level.
Maybe Baynes can't either, but it's worth a shot. What's there to lose?

But he doesn't know all the plays the yet! He would be just be all discombobulated he would just stand in the paint like a traffic cone he would! Kind of like .. uh... oh wait.. never mind..

[freetiago]

Baynes is 26
he has college/overseas/olympic experience
and he would be playing a dumbed down role in 5-10 minutes
or is it Blairs all world basketball IQ that allows him to get floor time


youre really overcomplicating Baynes role
he doesnt have to know where help comes from
he is the help
his role would be protecting the rim and he can surrender as much mid range shots as he wants just like Pop tells the starters to do
and him not being use to NBA players speed...
you think Blair and Bonner are
even if they are they cant do anything
and even more lol at Blair and good defender being in the same sentence
i believe it was 2 years ago when he was the worst rated starting center in the nba despite still having athleticism which he has none of now

and everyone is saying he cant play in the nba because he just cant
they have no actual evidence to say he cant since he hasnt gotten any minute

[FuzzyLumpkins]

There is no point in arguing with willful ignorance I guess.

[TJastal]

Baynes is 26
he has college/overseas/olympic experience
and he would be playing a dumbed down role in 5-10 minutes
or is it Blairs all world basketball IQ that allows him to get floor time


youre really overcomplicating Baynes role
he doesnt have to know where help comes from
he is the help
his role would be protecting the rim and he can surrender as much mid range shots as he wants just like Pop tells the starters to do
and him not being use to NBA players speed...
you think Blair and Bonner are
even if they are they cant do anything
and even more lol at Blair and good defender being in the same sentence
i believe it was 2 years ago when he was the worst rated starting center in the nba despite still having athleticism which he has none of now

LOL this. For criminy sakes these nuggets are acting like he would be paralyzed out on the court and forget how to play basketball. k

[freetiago]

whats hilarious is that most of you are Cojo supporters
yet he has no nba experience
hes young and has no college experience or overseas experience
Baynes played in a much superior league and also has knowledge of the Spurs system since hes been coached by the Spurs assistant coach all summer long
but Cojo is ready to take the backup PG role over the corporate knowledge players Neal and Mills whove been here 2-years

[Capt Bringdown]

Blair is actually a pretty good pnr defender. He falls asleep on his rotations though.

Blair's limitations go beyond mental mistakes. There's not too many 6'5" "bigs" who are successful in the NBA. Hopefully our bigs play well enough, rebound and defend as they're supposed to & don't get in foul trouble so that Blair never sees the floor.
He's a disaster in the PO..."But, but, this year it'll be different."

[ChumpDumper]

LOL this. For criminy sakes these nuggets are acting like he would be paralyzed out on the court and forget how to play basketball. k

Yay! More straw!

whats hilarious is that most of you are Cojo supporters
yet he has no nba experience
hes young and has no college experience or overseas experience
Baynes played in a much superior league and also has knowledge of the Spurs system since hes been coached by the Spurs assistant coach all summer long
but Cojo is ready to take the backup PG role over the corporate knowledge players Neal and Mills whove been here 2-years

Well, I'm sure you're prepared to ignore what Joseph has been doing the past two seasons, so why bother?

[freetiago]

Joseph hasnt done anything the past 2 seasons
most people here doubted if he could even be an nba player after his first season
this season he just played in the d-league til Parker was injured
people want Baynes to play for the same reasons all the Cojo supporters wanted him to play over Neal/Mills

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'm not sure exactly what this has to do with his ability to defend the pnr.

You guys act like Baynes has been some dominating force who is gobbling up rebounds and dunking over everyone. Why do you guys think his +/- and rebounding #'s are terrible?

There's only going to be 25 or so backup minutes to go around between the 4 and 5. I imagine Diaw and smallball are going to get them in the playoffs.

Parker/Cojo/Green/Manu/Neal/Leonard/Jack/Dplitter/Diaw/Duncan. Thats a 10 man rotation which is deep for the playoffs as it is. If you want to quibble about foul trouble minutes I guess but I don't want Baynes covering a Lee/Curry pnr or or wandering around against an already stifling Memphis defense.

[ChumpDumper]

Joseph hasnt done anything the past 2 seasons

Called it.

most people here doubted if he could even be an nba player after his first season

Were you one of those people?

this season he just played in the d-league til Parker was injured
people want Baynes to play for the same reasons all the Cojo supporters wanted him to play over Neal/Mills

Because Baynes can initiate the offense and take casre of he ball when he brings it up against pressure?

Wow.

[Strategic]

I don't understand why Blair is even in the "why doesn't Baynes get to play" argument. Any stiff that's been on the roster for three years and knows enough about the schemes would be getting the PT right now. I think the only thing that would have gotten Baynes more playing time this year is if he would have made an unbelievably great contibution to the team from the start. He did not! While I DO want him to be ahead of the Turd towers in the rotation this year I wouldn't bet a wooden nickel that he gets one minute of meaniful playing time until summer league.