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I'd still like to see how well he'll do in the playoffs. He was pretty solid last year, but right now he's playing on a much higher and consistent level.
There's no denying it anymore. At this stage of his career, Manu can only show flashes of the star player he once was. But game by game, Kawhi's game has grown by leaps and bounds, and he's now playing at, or close to, an all-star level, on nearly a night-to-night basis.
I'd still like to see how well he'll do in the playoffs. He was pretty solid last year, but right now he's playing on a much higher and consistent level.
on a serious note, I agree, and that's good for the Spurs... plus he's a kid which means he can play ling minutes... the thing is, he's a starter... it doesn't help the bench woes... today Nando was great, but Neal couldn't even play. It's like feast or famine out there, and I'm not sure how Tony helps on that.
it's been an amazing thing to watch this season. we all knew he had it in him, but when he missed out some time with his tendonitis,I wasn't quite sure what to expect with this season. But he's growth has been incredible. We definitely need it since a certain Argentinian player on our team seems to have gone in the other direction.
Agreed
What a stat stuffer.
All-Star type defense, his offense is improving greatly.
Some outsiders said his shooting game would never get any better out of college.
Not yet
Of course not. He's played very well but you can't tell me that he is better than Manu when it counts late in games in the playoffs.
This isnt 05 anymore
Leonards had lots of clutch plays for the Spurs in his 2 seasons
No he isn't.
It's still Mr. Ginobili
2012 playoffs say hi. Last year Manu had his worst playoffs since probably 04, or 08 when he got cuckolded by Vujacic (that was just one series though).
I personally don't care who's better, but one of them has to be great in the playoffs for us to have a chance. At this point in their careers, I'd have to side with Leonard's youth. Manu is really showing the wear of having played for over a year non-stop. He's just not the same force on the pnr and he gambles WAY too much defensively.
I agree.
I'm not worried about the bench. The biggest problems with it right now is the lack of Parker (which puts all four of the points out of position) and fact that the rotation is too deep right now. Both of those things will be fixed come playoff time. If not, the starters will be playing more minutes, anyway.
Leonard has been better this season than Ginobili. Leonard is getting better but the main reason of that is that Ginobili hasn't played at his level.
Age and injuries are for sure a factor of Manu not playing that well but lack of rhythm has also been a problem. Manu has started slow the season with injuries in training camp but he has had a very good stretch of games in December/January before hurting his hamstring. Since the hamstring injury, he has been widely inconsistent from games to games and even within the same game.
If Manu can be in rhythm for the playoffs, he will be great and way better than Kawhi.
When they're both peaking, Manu is better, since his passing is vital and his shot is automatic(when he's on, or course)..he's also a proven playoff performer and one of the best last-shot maker of this generation..
Leonard is clearly the more consistent player and better defender, though..
Let's just be fortunate that we can even have this argument this season, tbh..Leonard has seemingly developed at a quicker rate than we could have imagined, tbh..
Yes, he is still Mr. Ginobili and Kawhi is still boy Kawhi
Damn Bruno I had a long reply to your previous post, but out of respect I erased it and went with this. lol. I do think this. If your super Manu gets his "groove back" and starts scoring 20 a game it will totally screw up the iden y of this team. I think he's doing the best he can with what he has to work with.
I hope that Manu knows that helping his team win the last game of the NBA season will be his best service. I did see him pass the ball late in the game tonight which was a great sign.
Kawhi's defense isn't really "elite" yet but he definitely has flashes of shutdown D. I still remember the one play from the Bulls game where he completely took a dump on Deng during one Bulls possession. That said, Manu's D has slipped quite a bit. He's still a ballhawk that ends up with nice steals, but his on-ball defense at times is matador bad.
I still trust him over Kawhi in big moments where we need a bucket, especially in playoff time
Manu also can't defend quick guards.
I didn't see the games but I went through the game blog and see the thread les...I was like Manu had a bad day then I checked the score box 14 and 10 for Manu and I was then expecting like 9 TOs but no it was 3....ST
Manu will have a stretch of games (3/5) this season/post season where he is the best player on the court. Even though his overall production is way down, people seem to forget that he is in a slump. when Manu is bad - he can be really bad. When Manu is beasting (which he can still do albeit less frequently) he is unstoppable.
I thought he did better with that tonight but his turnovers and overpenetration is driving me nuts. He is doing it over and over again it seems.
This. It wasn't too long ago when we kept bumping the "Ditka couldn't stop Manu tonight" thread after every other game
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