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Jesus H. Christ, not this again.
We take the top 5 point scorers in the league:
1. Kevin Durant-OKC 1865
2. Kobe Bryant-LAL 1813
3. LeBron James-MIA 1700
4. James Harden-HOU 1689
5. Russell Westbrook-OKC 1532
Also the top 5 Free Throw made players in the league (which happen to be the same players):
1. Kevin Durant-OKC 561
2. James Harden-HOU 557
3. Kobe Bryant-LAL 415
4. Russell Westbrook-OKC 369
5. LeBron James-MIA 333
And we rank them based on how many of their points came from freebies:
1. James Harden-HOU 557 out of 1689 32.97%
2. Kevin Durant-OKC 561 out of 1865 30.00%
3. Russell Westbrook-OKC 369 out of 1532 24.08%
4. Kobe Bryant-LAL 415 out of 1813 22.89%
5. LeBron James-MIA 333 out of 1700 19.58%
Just facts here, numbers coming from basketball-reference.com (http://www.basketball-reference.com/...3_leaders.html)
Some conclusions that can be drawn from this:
- The top 3 players being in OKC last season completely validates the perception that they were an incredibly protected team
- This season isn't much different, with Durant a close second to Harden, and Westbrook coming in at third
- Trading away Harden was a boneheaded move just by looking at how much protection and how effective he is getting calls
- Lebron and Kobe have to work much harder for their points than the top two
Jesus H. Christ, not this again.
Anything you disagree with?
I don't do that , El. You know that.
To be fair Harden attacks the rim like a ************* madman
This is actually a thread with basketball discussion in it. If you don't want to do that, you can just skip over it. Thanks!
Didn't Harden say he relies on the free throws to get himself going offensively? So the fact that he leads doesn't surprise me and especially that Kobe & Lebron work harder for their free throws, it's one of the highlights when you see them shoot with a guy all over them.
Now we talking ElNono. This is my kind of thread.
Using your formula, I want to provide world class analysis on D-Whistle:
Total points: 1304
Free Throws Made: 274
Percentage of points from FTAs: 21% (274 divided by 1304)
I need to calculate to see if D-Whistle is still an elite player. Using my Hollingeresque formula:
21% of his points are FTAs. So, 21%*1304 points = 273.84.
Subtract FTA% points from total points (1304-273.84) = 1030.16
Take that total and divide by total games played to get true ppg (1030.16/60). I get 17.17 ppg (rounded up because I am a nice guy).
There you have it folks. Wade is really a 17.17 ppg scorer. Please not that these numbers would drop like a bad habit if he wasn't coat tailing LeBron and Bosh. Their mere presence makes it easier on D-Whistle to score. Case in point, if he were in Houston, he would not be the 21.7 ppg scorer that he appears to be. In other words, he's still a referee dependent superstar. But...without FTAs, he ain't .
Neal with it Ace.
I get why they did it, just should of asked for more in return ...a guy getting that many freebies worth more than what they got ...
Wouldn't it be easier to just subtract points from FTs from total points then divide by games played?Now we talking ElNono. This is my kind of thread.
Using your formula, I want to provide world class analysis on D-Whistle:
Total points: 1304
Free Throws Made: 274
Percentage of points from FTAs: 21% (274 divided by 1304)
I need to calculate to see if D-Whistle is still an elite player. Using my Hollingeresque formula:
21% of his points are FTAs. So, 21%*1304 points = 273.84.
Subtract FTA% points from total points (1304-273.84) = 1030.16
Take that total and divide by total games played to get true ppg (1030.16/60). I get 17.17 ppg (rounded up because I am a nice guy).
There you have it folks. Wade is really a 17.17 ppg scorer. Please not that these numbers would drop like a bad habit if he wasn't coat tailing LeBron and Bosh. Their mere presence makes it easier on D-Whistle to score. Case in point, if he were in Houston, he would not be the 21.7 ppg scorer that he appears to be. In other words, he's still a referee dependent superstar. But...without FTAs, he ain't .
Neal with it Ace.
Durant:
Total points: 1865
Points from FTs: 561
Net points: 1304
GP: 66 (since these stats are from before the Dallas game)
1304 / 66 = 19.76 PPG
That's a huge drop.
el Nono with the latin American number crunching goods.
I want to see the Thunderefs fans argue this, especially in light of that borderline butt ing email between Bennett and Stern. there's no way Chimpbrook or Durant deserve more FTs than Lebron.
Now we talking ElNono. This is my kind of thread.
Using your formula, I want to provide world class analysis on D-Whistle:
Total points: 1304
Free Throws Made: 274
Percentage of points from FTAs: 21% (274 divided by 1304)
I need to calculate to see if D-Whistle is still an elite player. Using my Hollingeresque formula:
21% of his points are FTAs. So, 21%*1304 points = 273.84.
Subtract FTA% points from total points (1304-273.84) = 1030.16
Take that total and divide by total games played to get true ppg (1030.16/60). I get 17.17 ppg (rounded up because I am a nice guy).
There you have it folks. Wade is really a 17.17 ppg scorer. Please not that these numbers would drop like a bad habit if he wasn't coat tailing LeBron and Bosh. Their mere presence makes it easier on D-Whistle to score. Case in point, if he were in Houston, he would not be the 21.7 ppg scorer that he appears to be. In other words, he's still a referee dependent superstar. But...without FTAs, he ain't .
Neal with it Ace.
your meandont expose d-whis like that
good thread btw.. ElNono with the goods
Either way is good. As long as the truth is told.
your mean
odd how lebron plays the most aggressive of anyone, scores more points than most everyone, but isn't at the very top in ft's. those other guys must be coddled and pussified by the refs, if it was equal treatment lebron would shoot twice as many ft's as kobe/durant.
funny thing is harden gets even more freebies after departing from OKC, which reflects that the rockets have been covertly receiving even more help from the refs than OKC have, and that's the main reason why they're in the playoff range now imho. take refs away from the game and the rockets (a borderline superstar plus a band of immature role players) are no better than what they were in the previous seasons tbh
Thunder and Thunder fans in general avoiding this thread like rehab tbh.
We get calls because we have superstars and our owner is best friends with our good ole Jew Stern.
Anything to win, I'll take it.
If I did not know any better, I would think El is asian with the mathematical goods.
There is no player on the face of the planet equal to Kevin Durant in many aspects (no, I didn't just call him the best player on the planet - although honestly, he's #2). Basically you guys are pissed because he shoots 9 freebies a game, when he's basically (arguably) the most unguardable guy on the planet. I don't get it. Yeah he gets his superstar calls and in games where the refs are calling things too close, he gets too many touch fouls. I don't like tightly called games like that. Even aside from that though, KD is fouled - a lot. Westbrook goes to the foul line ONE MORE TIME PER GAME than Tony Parker. You wanna about that? 1 trip to the line more for a guy whose offensive approach in the paint is FAR more aggressive than Parker's and for a guy who shoots, what, 4 more FGs a game than Parker. Whatever. Westbrook is an animal. He's dunking over 7 footers. Of course he's freaking fouled all the time. Open your eyes.
By the way, the conclusion that Lebron has to work much harder for his points is absurd. Lebron James could shoot 12 FTs a game, every game, if that's what he wanted to do. Lebron's a pass first player - a lot of times. Assists the ball much more than KD. Lebron will penetrate and kick much more than KD. Basically he's setting guys up more. I saw him last game against OKC penetrate, get in the air, coulda swore he was gonna go to the rim, dishes out to the corner 3 spot in mid-air not 3 feet from the basket. He could gone to the rim and probably got a foul call there. He chose the open 3. That's what the guy does.
The only way to solve this is to have the most objective poster on the NBA board go through each of Durant's foul calls (for maybe 15 games) on Synergy and determine if there was an actual foul.
15 isn't a huge sample size, but it will at least give us an idea. After recording the totals, you can use that to determine:
-Fouls received per game
-True Fouls received per game
-(True Fouls/Total Fouls) %
-Points received off True Fouls
-(Points received off all fouls) - (Points received off True Fouls) = X
-((All points) - X)/games played = legitimate PPG
After you do that, you'd have to do it for a 2-3 other players and compare to see if he's really being gifted calls. I'd love to see this done on Kevin Martin during his years with Houston. That dude could get calls out of no where. The trick is you have to be as objective as possible when determining if a call was deserved or not.
I vote Nono does it.
Analysis would have been more explicit by putting the ranking of the players attempts at the rim.
And we have
1. Monroe 471 Attempts converting 61%
2. Westbrook 401 As converting 62%
3. Lebron 395 As converting 79% !!!
4. Lee 375 As converting 69%
5. Harden 369 converting 64%
Conclusions:
- Harden, West and Lebron are going at it at a high clip, quite normal they are gifted with some freebies.
- D whistle is 12th on this list, not bad for a tosb
- Bryant is 16th but second in FTs total Attempted and no he doesn't draw more FTs because Defenders are obliged to fool him to avoid automatic mid range, his FG% suck
- Kevin
Conclusion of the conclusions: Refs love Durant and Bryant, they are bailing them out regularly.
Hey, at least you can recognize Westbrook's game. Ive defended Westbrook hard on here and his FT attempts. The dude is earning them - totally legit. Ive backed it up with very reasonable comparisons and stats with those of Tony Parkers. To be honest - yes it's more difficult to argue as hard for KD's FT #'s compared to Westbrook's.Analysis would have been more explicit by putting the ranking of the players attempts at the rim.
And we have
1. Monroe 471 Attempts converting 61%
2. Westbrook 401 As converting 62%
3. Lebron 395 As converting 79% !!!
4. Lee 375 As converting 69%
5. Harden 369 converting 64%
Conclusions:
- Harden, West and Lebron are going at it at a high clip, quite normal they are gifted with some freebies.
- D whistle is 12th on this list, not bad for a tosb
- Bryant is 16th but second in FTs total Attempted and no he doesn't draw more FTs because Defenders are obliged to fool him to avoid automatic mid range, his FG% suck
- Kevin
Conclusion of the conclusions: Refs love Durant and Bryant, they are bailing them out regularly.
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