Lakers: Lakers are now 16-8..

[UNCLE-DREW]

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Kobe: 5

the tired old bag Duncan: 4

tee, hee.

how does it feel you almighty god was a mere roleplayer in his first 3 rings

Horry 7
kobe 5

oh wait

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I am not surprised. I've long said that the Lakers would have rung 8 times in the last decade had it not been for Kobe. While average Lakers fan thinks Kobe is the force behind the Lakers, the rest of the the basketball world knows it's the allure of the city and the deep pockets of the Buss family that has brought success to that franchise. Buss built a championship team and that's without Kobe. Kobe is now and has long been the an hesis to winning a championship. The only reason the teams have won is because they've been far and away stacked to win. He's been the undeserving recipient of financial generosity. He's ruined the careers of some of the best big men to ever play the game.

Boiled down:::

Kobe: 5

the tired old bag Duncan: 4

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how does it feel you almighty god was a mere roleplayer in his first 3 rings

Though without him we'd not survived Portland in '00.

And Media was comin' for Daddy then, both barrels, and they'd a had him.

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The winning % is worst when you take the Kobe took at least 20 FGAs around .300 per game. When he take less than 20 FGAs they are around .570 so best cases are for Lakers to win: Kobe doesn't and if he plays he has to take less than 20 FGAs. There is no other way around, kobe is now a role player who needs to keep his shooting in check for Lakers have a chance to win

Boiled down:::you guys thought you'd be happy with us winning sans Kobe.

Uh, uh.

tee, hee.

[Killakobe81]

I am not surprised. I've long said that the Lakers would have rung 8 times in the last decade had it not been for Kobe. While average Lakers fan thinks Kobe is the force behind the Lakers, the rest of the the basketball world knows it's the allure of the city and the deep pockets of the Buss family that has brought success to that franchise. Buss built a championship team and that's without Kobe. Kobe is now and has long been the an hesis to winning a championship. The only reason the teams have won is because they've been far and away stacked to win. He's been the undeserving recipient of financial generosity. He's ruined the careers of some of the best big men to ever play the game.

That may be one of the most ignorant thngs I have seen on here (from a basketbal standpoint) in a long time. MJ could not ring 8x in a decade but a team led by Shaq and his amazing work ethic would have?
Come on, you give Kobe his talent and his "lack of leadership" or however you come up with 8 rings way too much credit. And by extennsion you are not giving enough to the Spurs who easily should of won at least 2 of those les ... regardless of what was going wrong in Los Angeles. BEsides the Heat all the les won in the past decade were legit tbh ...not sure where you get "8" from.

As for Harlem, useless stat is useless stat. And I get you are trolling so I did not even respond until DMC posted this crap ... Kobe 8 rings in a decade yeah, right. Even if he passed more and kissed Shaq's ass Im guessing they still tap out at 5 or 6 because Shaq's leadership was worse, tbh ...

[DMC]

Kobe doesn't possess leadership qualities. He's no leader, that was Fisher. Had Kobe not been such a greedy little rapist, Shaq would have stuck around and they could have attracted even better talent, but no, it was Kobe and all Kobe all the time. Just ask his ing coach who obviously knows more about him than you do, even though you likely know the flavor of his semen.

Shaq won 3 Finals MVPs, b2b2b. Kobe rode Pau to a couple. Pau could have won those if he was the option on offense. Even now Kobe has Pau soft and submissive because he's been such an overbearing piece of . 100 million ing dollars in 1 ing year and you are fighting with Utah for a playoff spot. What a ing ass magnet.

[DMC]

^ Please do enlighten me on the dates and times... For a fact you cannot

I don't take orders from pinked gots, especially fake ass negro ones.

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Had Kobe not been such a greedy little rapist

You've nary room. Your Neal raped as well.

[Killakobe81]

Kobe doesn't possess leadership qualities. He's no leader, that was Fisher. Had Kobe not been such a greedy little rapist, Shaq would have stuck around and they could have attracted even better talent, but no, it was Kobe and all Kobe all the time. Just ask his ing coach who obviously knows more about him than you do, even though you likely know the flavor of his semen.

Shaq won 3 Finals MVPs, b2b2b. Kobe rode Pau to a couple. Pau could have won those if he was the option on offense. Even now Kobe has Pau soft and submissive because he's been such an overbearing piece of . 100 million ing dollars in 1 ing year and you are fighting with Utah for a playoff spot. What a ing ass magnet.

Even if what you say is true about Kobe's leadership ...what did we see from Shaq in the post LAkers era that says he could of led L.A to 5 more les? Please elaborate. Shaq was an essential part of the Heat reign in 2005 .... But if you watched those Finals he was outplayed by Dampier the first 2 games ...and Alonzo closed out game 6 by anchoring the paint. Point being he barely got to 4 what makes youthink he could of led 8?! Even if you say we should of won in 2004 that is still only 5 rings where do you think the Lakers were gonna get 8 championships from? Which of the Spurs les are you conceding to the Lakers for that to happen?

SO because Shaq won 3 straight Finals MVP's when he was in decent shape ...that means he was going to lead a team to 5 more les, even though he it took an epic Wade performance and a FT parade to get him one more? Shaq was a dominant beast... watching Dwight play this year reminds me of how dominant Shaq was for us ... but O'Neal was close to the end (of his peak) when the Lakers dealt him, unless he was gonna coat-tail Kobe or Lebron no way he was gonna win 5 more les.

[DMC]

You've nary room. Your Neal raped as well.

One doesn't negate the other. I'm sure you've tried to rape as well.

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One doesn't negate the other.

Just checkin' assholes of a Monday morning.

[Brazil]

Boiled down:::you guys thought you'd be happy with us winning sans Kobe.

Uh, uh.

tee, hee.

boiled down you guys are better sans him or him behaving like a role player

[DMC]

Even if what you say is true what did we see from Shaq in the post LAkers era that says he could of led L.A to 5 more les. Please elaborate. Shaq was an essential part o fthe Heat reign in 2005. But if you watched those Finals he was outplayed by Dampier the first 2 games ...and Alonzo closed out game 6 by anchoring the paint. Point being he barely got to 4 what makes youthink he could of led 8?! Even if you say we should of won in 2004 that is still only 5 rings where do you think the Lakers were gonna get 8 championships from? Which of the Spurs les are you conceding to the Lakers for that to happen?

SO because Shaq won 3 straight Finals MVP's when he was in decent shape that means he was going to lead a team to 5 more les, even though he it took an epic Wade performance and a FT parade to get him one more. Shaq was a dominant beast watching Dwight play this year reminds me of how dominant Shaq was for a while but O'Neal was close to the end (of his peak) when the Lakers dealt him, unless he was gonna coat-tail Kobe or Lebron no way he was gonna win 5 more les.

They should have won in 2004 but Kobe was too busy raping.

They should have won in 2005 but Kobe was too busy kicking Shaq to the curb

Shaq subsequently won in 2006. If he can do that, surely he could have won in the two years preceding. That's 6 right there. If Pau can get the Lakers 2 rings, Shaq could have done it easily. That's 2 more. That's a total of 8 rings.

Do the math or have stat do it for you. Kobe is the bane of the Lakers, not the savior.

The fact that daddy rang before Kobe after the breakup, and that Kobe had to get another team's franchise center to get back to the playoffs is evidence enough that Kobe can not take a team to a ring, and Phil's book is evidence that Kobe is not a bonus for anything except jersey sales to fat be@ners.

[DMC]

lol spending the best years of your life blindly worshiping a rapist only to learn that he's a pig in a poke.

[Killakobe81]

They should have won in 2004 but Kobe was too busy raping.

They should have won in 2005 but Kobe was too busy kicking Shaq to the curb

Shaq subsequently won in 2006. If he can do that, surely he could have won in the two years preceding. That's 6 right there. If Pau can get the Lakers 2 rings, Shaq could have done it easily. That's 2 more. That's a total of 8 rings.

Do the math or have stat do it for you. Kobe is the bane of the Lakers, not the savior.

Never said he was a savior. Just saying you are playing fast and loose with math, here. Funny thing is DMC you give Duncan and Pop so little credit. Are you telling me that Tim Duncan in his absolute prime would of lost to a Lakers squad in 2005? Sans Phil and Fisher and Horry? Peopel forget we were rolling with little left in the cupboard Malone and GP were gone too ...but even if you hypiothetically say we would of signed some replacements ... that doesnt sound like a le team. Kobe screwed up 2004 in so many ways ... I do agree with you there ...but I never take anything away from those Pistons. That team though was amess and it was not ALL Kobe. People forget that in 2004 GP and Phil fought over the use of the trinagle, and in the series against the Spurs fought in the media for GP taking all the blame for Parker abusing them in in pnr. PAyton was pissed he was getting the blame for O'neals ty hedging defense in pnr ... But I bet you were to busy ing to a potential repeat to realize any of that?
Luckily we had PJ to adjust our schemes and yall choked. But Then Malone got hurt. (I never play the injury card) but that team even when healthy was not a joy to be around ...A major part of it was Kobe and his trial but Shaq had some crappy leadership that started in our training camp in Hawaii feuling the media frenzy on their feud ...which led to that break-up. Either way I think it was the Pistons le to lose ... they turned around had a better year and if not for Horry would of beat your ass the next year too ...

Still dont see where the other les come from ... but whatever, DMC. You romanticize O'Neal based on his talent and not his actual production (results). Shaq should of won at least 6 lesbased on his talent ...but Kobe is only to blame for maybe one of those. Feuding with a great owner like Buss, fighting with Kobe were things HE could of avoided to get closer to MJ. He never had that kind of drive and it took PJ and Fisher's leadership and Kobe's and Wade's immense talent to help him get the 4 he had ...

He tried to ride Nash, Lebron and KG to a 5th le and failed miserably so again where are 8 les gonna come from?

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lol spending the best years of your life blindly worshiping a rapist

You've nary room. Your Neal raped as well.

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boiled down you guys are better sans him or him behaving like a role player

+ we got:::

Kobe: 5

the tired old bag Duncan: 4

out of it.

tee, hee.

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Shaq subsequently won in 2006.

& ended up like Duncan:::

Kobe: 5

Duncan & Daddy: 4 a piece

Just shows ta go ya.

[DMC]

Never said he was a savior. Just saying you are playing fast and loose with math, here. Funny thing is DMC you give Duncan and Pop so little credit. Are you telling me that Tim Duncan in his absolute prime would of lost to a Lakers squad in 2005? Sans Phil and Fisher and Horry? Peopel forget we were rolling with little left in the cupboard Malone and GP were gone too ...but even if you hypiothetically say we would of signed some replacements ... that doesnt sound like a le team. Kobe screwed up 2004 in so many ways ... I do agree with you there ...but I never take anything away from those Pistons. That team though was amess and it was not ALL Kobe. People forget that in 2004 GP and Phil fought over the use of the trinagle, and in the series against the Spurs fought in the media for Parker abusing them in in pnr. PAyton was pissed he was getting the blame for O'neals ty heding defense in pnr ... But I bet you were to busy ing to a potential repeat to realize any of that? Luckily we had PJ adjust our schemes and yall choked. Then Malone got hurt. (I never play the injury card) but that team even when healthy was not a joy to be around. A major part of it was Kobe and his trial but Shaq had some crappy leadership that started in our training camp in Hawaii feuling the media frenzy on their feud ...which led to that break-up.

Still dont see where teh other les come from ... but whatever, DMC. You romanticize O'Neal based on his talent and not his actual production (results). Shaq should of won at least 6 lesbased on his talent ...but Kobe is only to blame for maybe one of those. Feuding with a great owner like Buss, fighting with Kobe were things HE could of avoided to get closer to MJ. He never had that kind of drive and it took PJ and Fisher's leadership and Kobe's and Wade's immense talent to help him get the 4 he had ...

He tried to ride Nash, Lebron and KG to a 5th le and failed miserably so again where are 8 les gonna come from?

Duncan had a younger Robinson during the 3peat. As good as Duncan is/was, he was no match for Shaq's dominance beneath the basket, and the Spurs could not afford complimentary players as well as the Lakers could.

As good as Hakeem was in his b2b, he could not beat the Bulls while MJ was playing.

[Brazil]

+ we got:::

Kobe: 5

the tired old bag Duncan: 4

out of it.

tee, hee.

no denying here Cul, as much as Horry 7 and Bryant 5

[Donkeybong]

The winning % is worst when you take the Kobe took at least 20 FGAs around .300 per game. When he take less than 20 FGAs they are around .570 so best cases are for Lakers to win: Kobe doesn't and if he plays he has to take less than 20 FGAs. There is no other way around, kobe is now a role player who needs to keep his shooting in check for Lakers have a chance to win

Them losing is not a product of Kobe shooting over 20 FGA. Kobe shooting 20 over FGA is a product of the Lakers losing the game and Kobe trying to get them back in it with higher shot volume. This argument is so tired.

[Killakobe81]

Duncan had a younger Robinson during the 3peat. As good as Duncan is/was, he was no match for Shaq's dominance beneath the basket, and the Spurs could not afford complimentary players as well as the Lakers could.

As good as Hakeem was in his b2b, he could not beat the Bulls while MJ was playing.

But as great as Shaq was in 2000-2002 by 2003 and DEFINITELY 2005 til now Duncan has been the better player. Do we agree there? Shaq owned both your big men those 3 years ... but Duncan has been the best big man since then. He fell off for a few seasons 2009-2011 but he is still playing at times at ahigh level was Shaq is telling jokes on TNT ...

Still dont see where 8 is coming from. And I dont concede that MJ wins 8 straight either. People forget they had to eke out the third leg of each 3 peat. There is no sure thing they beat HAkeem twice or the Knicks dont finally win one ...MJ was drained. He needed the break after each 3 peat. I think if they win those two maybe the Sonics Pacers or the Jazz steal one from MJ. Peopel act as though MJ as great as he was could of rolled off 8 straight les even though Russell in a ty era was the only guy to do that ...Mj maybe the GOAT but he was NOT winning 8 straight and he KNEW it ... that is why he shut it down ...

[Koolaid_Man]

They should have won in 2004 but Kobe was too busy raping.

They should have won in 2005 but Kobe was too busy kicking Shaq to the curb

Shaq subsequently won in 2006. If he can do that, surely he could have won in the two years preceding. That's 6 right there. If Pau can get the Lakers 2 rings, Shaq could have done it easily. That's 2 more. That's a total of 8 rings.

Do the math or have stat do it for you. Kobe is the bane of the Lakers, not the savior.

The fact that daddy rang before Kobe after the breakup, and that Kobe had to get another team's franchise center to get back to the playoffs is evidence enough that Kobe can not take a team to a ring, and Phil's book is evidence that Kobe is not a bonus for anything except jersey sales to fat be@ners.

^ Exhibit A...I told yall that guys who drove really really big trucks were dumb as rocks and over compensating for lack of manhood

[DMC]

And the missed ring count is growing as we speak. The cost of Bryant negates any opportunity the Lakers have of bringing in good players. 27m this year, 30m next. That's almost Wade + Lebron salary. Imagine what the Lakers could have if they didn't have Kobe and add what they currently have in Howard, Jamison, Nash and Artest. Sans Kobe, CP3 is a Laker. Sans Kobe, the door is open for the best young free agents in the league to come there and not have to sacrifice pay.

Kobe is that piss poor investment, right now the worst contract in the league by far, in terms of winning basketball games. I'd say 10 rings. Boston would have to get glasses to see you ahead of them, that's how far you'd be.

[Koolaid_Man]

Even if what you say is true about Kobe's leadership ...what did we see from Shaq in the post LAkers era that says he could of led L.A to 5 more les? Please elaborate. Shaq was an essential part of the Heat reign in 2005 .... But if you watched those Finals he was outplayed by Dampier the first 2 games ...and Alonzo closed out game 6 by anchoring the paint. Point being he barely got to 4 what makes youthink he could of led 8?! Even if you say we should of won in 2004 that is still only 5 rings where do you think the Lakers were gonna get 8 championships from? Which of the Spurs les are you conceding to the Lakers for that to happen?

SO because Shaq won 3 straight Finals MVP's when he was in decent shape ...that means he was going to lead a team to 5 more les, even though he it took an epic Wade performance and a FT parade to get him one more? Shaq was a dominant beast... watching Dwight play this year reminds me of how dominant Shaq was for us ... but O'Neal was close to the end (of his peak) when the Lakers dealt him, unless he was gonna coat-tail Kobe or Lebron no way he was gonna win 5 more les.

^