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But those 28% fadeaways are so graceful!
Tbh, Kirby's game is uglier to me.... I'll take LeBron's nuanced game over Kirby's selfish chucking, ballhogging, and complete lack of effort on defense any day....
But those 28% fadeaways are so graceful!
It was a really simple and basic question...if you can't answer it...simply say: "Kool I cannot answer it". or: "Kool I do not know...or "Kool , he's faced none".what's you excuse then for kobe chucking up shots.. even kobe's little brother "in your eyes"Wade shoots over 50%
Again what elite defenders has Lebron faced?
The same ones Kobe faced?
I love the crying sounds of "herp derp its only because he's athletic herp derp." To which I say, who cares. The only thing that counts is gettin it done. I don't care how, or what skill it took. Shaq is one of the greatest players of all time, and the most dominant big I've seen, largely because of his physique and athleticism, not his "poetry in motion" lmao. Most of the NBA greats were phenomenal athletes so lets not kid ourselves. MJ and Kobe are great athletes. In different ways than LeBron, but great nonetheless. Wilt with his size and athletecism. We all recently saw the vid of Bill Russell driving down the length of the court and leaping over the defender to lay it in. kareem was what, 7'3? Would he have been effective if he was only 6'7? No. but nobody cries about Kareem and says "overrated. only good because of his height. scrub." Magic was a 6'9 point guard who ran and handled the ball as fluidly has a 6'1 guy. That's not even fair.
I don't care how athletic LeBron is. All that matters is productivity, efficiency, winning.
I enjoy watching Lebron more, fwiw. His game might be simple, but that's a good thing. Simplicity is efficiency. If you can accomplish more than someone else with less effort, you are superior. Lebron's game is very intelligent and efficient, much like Timmy D.
I'm guessing nobody respected Jordan's drive, which by your logic explains why he was only a career 32.7% three point shooter.LeBron has a higher 3PT% because defenders respect his ability to drive right to the rim, so they sag off of him.
ty take
Meanwhile Kirby who got to play alongside dominant shaq and was much more athletic as far as getting to the rim must have never had good looks from 3. That easily explains why he's never cracked 40% for a season. LeBron and Kobe have near identical career 3pt shooting figures (33.7 for Kobe, 33.5 for Bron), but LeBron's has an upwards trajectory. 33% a few years ago, 36% last year, 39% this year. His shot/form looks a lot better too
What great prime big man has Lebron had to play through to win a chip....Has Lebron faced any like a prime Duncan and won the chip...
Kobe can't win without having one or 2 elite bigs on his team, what does that say about him? Its like being a ty general when your country has all the nukesWhat great prime big man has Lebron had to play through to win a chip....Has Lebron faced any like a prime Duncan and won the chip...
horrible and very misguided come back analogy...I said nothing about Lebron's teammates (i.e who he played with) we're talking path way to success...and like a druken cadet soldier behind the wheel in a mine field you're veering far off course... stay with me this time..ok
let's try this again...
What great prime big man has Lebron had to play against to win a chip....Has Lebron faced any like a prime players Duncan and won the chip...
kobes game is ing amazing, the is the most fundamentally sound player still, and probably the hardest working one as well.
Kinda legit take tbh. Memphis has played them well the two times they've played IIRC.
Although the Pacers and Celtics have a couple up and coming good defenders in George and Bradley.
But I think LeBron did beast on the Thunders with Sefolosha guarding him.
Lebron's compe ion in this era isn't great, neither was Jordan's, and neither was Kobe's in 2009 and 2010..in fact, the West in those years was just as bad as today's East, the Lakers WCF opponents were the Denver Nuggets(
Their Finals opponent in 2009 was Orlando
I might agree with the OP that Kobe's game is more aesthetically pleasing to watch than LeBron's, but I will still take results over aesthetics all day, every day. It's not like LeBron's game is really that ugly to me either. It's just not as smooth or graceful. But LeBron for the last couple seasons has been the best and most dominant player on the planet. I think before last season, people could argue that LeBron didn't have any rings to show for his dominance. But that ring and FMVP last year can now back up his dominance. While it's nice to have both, I'll take LeBron's dominance over Kobe's "aesthetics."
There was no zone defense during Jordan's time, smartass.
point being? so lebron is able to dominate in a league where zone defense is legal. doesn't that say something too?
Like I said..his dominance over what compe ion...name one great prime defender he's faced...you can't...dude is lucky that he's playing in the watered down era...were they're is no to get in his ass like they did Kobe's...
Even if LeBron's jumpshot isn't a waterfall like Ray Allen, given the sheer breadth of things he does well, I'll take that also. He can hit from anywhere inside 30 feet at any time, can make pinpoint passes, throws and catches oops, and his overall awareness is just off the charts. I bet he's already got more chase down blocks in his career than Kobe, and while that isn't necessarily a metric of defensive prowess, I think it's just one more anecdote to show the level that LeBron is playing at. Scary thing is, he's still not at or near his ceiling, considering his February PER of 37.
Point is LeBron's 3pt shooting is inflated because of the zone defense. I never said he didn't dominate.
Are you agreeing with me or disagreeing with me? I can't tell.
I named them for you already dip ...Prime players (and some close to prime) Kobe faced and let me include big men since Kobe has a post game that Lebron can only dream of....
Lebron's compe ion in this era isn't great, neither was Jordan's, and neither was Kobe's in 2009 and 2010..in fact, the West in those years was just as bad as today's East, the Lakers WCF opponents were the Denver Nuggets(
Their Finals opponent in 2009 was Orlando
Bruce Bowen, Stephen Jackson, Doug Christie, Tayshaun Prince, Ron Artest, Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, Josh Howard, Raja Bell, Rueben Patterson, Reggie Miller, Scottie Pippen, Dennis Rodman, Michael Jordan, Tim Duncan, Rasheed Wallace, Kevin Garnett, Rip Hamilton, Jason Kidd..these are just some of the guys off the top of my head that defended Kobe very well either man to man or with team defense.
Point is Lebron hasn't faced squat...he hasn't earned to me except what the media bequeaths him...that's why most all of the all time greats pick prime Kobe over Lebron...
and I won't even address your absurd claim that MJ never faced great defenders...well yes I will dip ...the 92 Knicks team was one of the greatest and toughest teams of all times to get through...X-Man, Anthony Mason, Starks, Ewing and very tough defenders on wing players...especially MJ...there were "The Jordan Rules" something Lebron likely has never heard of....and then the Lakers and Celtic teams that MJ could never get past in his prime...
basically cut the horse you dip ...
So if Kobe's 3 point shooting never touched 40% despite the weakness of zone defense, what does that say?
it says he was too busy trying to make his teammates better....btw Hand-checking was outlawed in 94 if I'm not mistaken...Kobe still the only player that gets hand-checked...
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