Here's an interesting stat -
So if (and it's a big if) he stays healthy, he is actually an upgrade over Welker. Still a stupid contract but not as bad as it first looked.Since 2010, Welker has caught passes at a rate of 12.5 receptions for every drop (326 catches, 26 drops).
Amendola’s success rate is considerably higher at 21.9 receptions per drop.
Lookit, i'm not so sure about this Amendola chump. Don't get me wrong, i'm no fan of that clutch pass dropping stick Welkah, but do we really trust some slick back Italian fruitcake with playing slot for the Mighty New England Patriots? After dealing with that wad Bobby V, i'm done trusting some greasy dago with a team in the Commonwealth.
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i don't think Welker would have accepted the same deal with the Pats, tbh. Amen cola was a more expensive contract than I would've liked, but I'm guessing its backloaded.
Interesting. Brady took discount allegedly to resign Welker, but he opted to sign elsewhere, a relatively cheap deal. And Pats immediatly find his replacement for same amount of money. It`s hard to believe that wasnt their plan from the beginning.
I heard that Hernandez could be move to WR.
How much money Patriots have left to spend on defensive players ?
Quite a bit if I recall... They had something like 25 mil in cap space before Amendola.
Yeah they prolly have around 20M left after this deal.
now edelman please, someone has to return.. and i don't want it to be mcourty or god forbid arrington
if it's backloaded it should be more, but i don't know, however, there are not many defensive players left ..
I think they plan on KR being Jeff Demps (however I agree that they need another good kick returner incase Demps gets injured again) and I'd be surprised if they don't bring Edelman back.
Yeah 20M is just a rough estimate. I'd also cut Daniel Fells to create a little more cap room since they have Jake Ballard and Hooman as backup tight ends. Fells' best asset is his receiving but he and Brady have absolutely no chemistry.
Regarding defensive players, there are plenty of good corners left, it's just a question of whether or not they use the cap room Brady created for them. On defense they need to resign Talib, then bring in a real strong safety (IMO Kenny Phillips), 1-2 more corners, and two veteran front 7 players who won't cost very much. They should have the cap room to do that and still address needs on offense + sign drafted players.
Strange they didn't just go with Edelman
you hating on Seabass?How about a "drafting a kicker in the 1st round" level of stupid
Kraft speaks out about Welker.
"We usually don't talk about contracts, but I'd like to clear up what I think is some misconceptions about the Wes situation," Kraft told reporters at the NFL annual meeting. "Everyone in our organization wanted Wes Welker back. Anyone who doubts that, or thinks we weren't serious, just doesn't get it. I've owned the team 19 years and I've known in the end we have to have certain limits and restraints. Like I've said many times, I really wanted Wes to be with us through the rest of his career, but it takes two sides to do a deal. ...
"In Wes' case, we were willing to go what we considered above his market value. For a couple years, we tried to get a long-term deal done with him. We couldn't do a deal and we wound up franchising him [in 2012] at a very high number [$9.5 million]. In retrospect, I wish we could have wrapped that into an arrangement where it was part of a longer-term deal.
"But I really believe in this case, his agents misrepresented, in their mind, what his market value was. When you come right down to the bottom line, he accepted a deal in Denver which is less money than what we offered him. In fact, he has a one-year deal in Denver for $6 million. Our last offer, before we would have even gone up and before we thought we were going into free agency, was a $10 million offer with incentives that would have earned him another $6 million if he performed the way he had the previous two years. But in Denver, he's going to count $4 million against the cap this coming year and $8 million the second year. There is no guarantee that he plays the second year there. He will get $6 million the first year. Our deal, he would have gotten $8 million the first year."http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/...es-welker-exit"Wednesday, I personally got a call from Wes and he told me about this offer from Denver," Kraft said. "He called Bill [Belichick] as well. We met and we chatted. We have a lot of people, we've committed a lot of money to this inside position -- you have [Rob Gronkowski], you have [Aaron] Hernandez, you have Danny [Amendola] now -- it was just unfortunately a little bit too late.
"If he had called one day earlier, he would have been with us. And so that, is the Wes Welker story. I'm very sad about it and I wish he would have been with our team."
The Patriots' owner wouldn't get into specifics on the Patriots' offer to Welker, but said there was a "substantial gap" between what the Patriots offered and what the receiver's agents were seeking.
Yeah as I said, the only reason they didn't re-sign Welker for 2 years 12 million is because they agreed w/ Amendola a day earlier and never had any intention of signing both. If they knew all along they could have Welker for 2 years 12 million, it would have been a quick and easy negotiation. Just ty cir stances and an unfortunate result.
so its not because Belichick is a big stupid meanie who irrationally hates the greatest receiver since Prime Jerry Rice?
Guess not. Turns out they're just stupid.
Actually, it sounds more like Welker's agents tried to play a game of chicken with the Patriots and the one who ended up getting screwed was Welker. Kraft pretty much said they would have given Welker a better contract than he got with Denver. But they weren't going to be bullied into an unreasonable deal. The last line in the second quote said the two sides had a substantial gap with what each side wanted. And yet Welker ended up taking a deal worth less than what the Pats had offered. Sounds like the Patriots weren't stupid, just being financially prudent.
Lol at people saying that Kraft is lying and Patriots signed Amendola before and Welker wasnt their intention.
I can see it, as Welker got offer from Pats way earlier, and since they didnt agreed to terms, Patriots moved on, signed Amendola, and then Welker called and said that he`d agree on 12mln/2yrs. But Patrios already had Amendola signed and they simply couldnt afford to have two inside receivers for 6mil each. If Welker really wanted to stay in NE, he was screwed, cause Patrios easilly would pay him this 12m/2y.
If he meet incentives, yes he could have gotten $16 over two. The guaranteed money was still more in Denver though. That hasn't changed even though Kraft tried to spin in a bit.
Wes signing for just $2 million more in guaranteed money with the Broncs makes the Pats stupid.
But you dont know what was Welker / Welker`s agent response to early 10mln/2yrs + incentives. What if it was something like 24mil/3yrs + inc ? On that condition deal wasnt near, so Pats turned to Amendola. When Welker called with reasonable counteroffer, it was too late.
That assumes Welker would have signed with the Pats for the same or even similar deal. And it doesn't account for the notion that Welker and his agents were asking for way more from the Patriots than they ended up getting from Denver. Unless Kraft is lying, the way his story plays out, the Pats were not stupid. They were being bullied by Welker's agents and didn't bite. That's sound business. The biggest loser is still Welker, especially if he wanted to stay in New England and he would have stayed at a similar deal. He should fire his agents.
I don't get this either
Is Wes Welker, at this point of his career, as big a deal as ESPN and the Pats are making him? Or is it just a slow time for sports?
No doubt the biggest loser was Welker.
If you believe his agents, they said the Pats said the 2 year $10 guaranteed + $6 mill in incentives was non negotiable.
If true, the Pats are stupid.
Last edited by Blake; 03-19-2013 at 01:56 PM.
Why would they negotiate when they gave him the best offer he saw?
Tennessee and Denver both offered more guaranteed money.
it would have made some sense had they just gone with Edelman. But giving Amendola the type of money they did makes it bizarre.
Either they're stupid or really had a grudge with Welker.
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