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    Of course some guns cross the border. We have open borders with Mexico. If Mexico wants to close the border to prevent guns from crossing they are free to do so.
    some? not good enough

    250K claimed is not "some"

    It's a huge business financing dealers and private sellers.

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    250K a year has been totally debunked as more partisan bull .

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    , there aren't even 250,000 cartel members.

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    , there aren't even 250,000 cartel members.
    estimate that US gun fellators own an avg of 9 guns, do you think cartel members and others own only one gun per?

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    Apparently Bou isn't very good at math. The 4 border states in question have 23.21% of the US population and only 13.06% of the US gun dealers.
    Bou is anti american and a Obama lover. His messiasah can do no wrong.

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    I think we sould just conclude that there is more to Fast and Furious than we know about.

    Again... 1.6 billion rounds of ammo...
    Obama would of just pardoned Holder.

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    250K a year has been totally debunked as more partisan bull .
    you and TB haven't debunked anything other than in your own fantasies.

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    just what we need, another 'gun fellator' thread
    Y'all gun fellators can't get too much of a good thang

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    Of course some guns cross the border. We have open borders with Mexico. If Mexico wants to close the border to prevent guns from crossing they are free to do so.
    MX govt has said many times that most of the gun crimes in MX are with US-sourced guns.

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    A study from the Igarape Ins ute and the University of San Diego investigated the increase in gun violence in Mexico since 2006. The authors’ concluded that recent federal government regulations on arms trade has been “largely ineffective.”


    Firearms can be purchased in the United States legally, but end up crossing into Mexico illegally. The number of arms smuggled has increased since the late 1990′s and is shown in the study.


    Here are some key findings in the study:


    The percentage of firearms in the U.S. that end up in Mexico is estimated at 2.2 percent. In 1993, that number was at 1.75 percent.

    The number of firearms crossing into Mexico was at 235,000 a year from 2010 to 2012. From 1997 to 1999 when the federal Assault Weapons Ban (AWB) was in place, the number was at 88,000 a year.

    Based on the quan y of U.S. firearms in Mexico, revenue in 2010-2012 would equate to $127.2 million for manufacturers. The 1997-1999 time frame equates to $32 million in revenue.

    According to a 2009 reports, 14.7 percent of smuggled firearms are seized by authorities. Of that percentage, Mexican authorities are responsible for 12.7 percent and U.S. authorities are responsible for 2 percent of firearms seized.

    http://ivn.us/editors-blog/2013/03/2...s-trafficking/

    So MX "seizing" smuggled firearms says there's no "open carry" guns business with MX. And if there were "open carry" across the border, why is there so much gun smuggling?

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    MX govt has said many times that most of the gun crimes in MX are with US-sourced guns.

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    A study from the Igarape Ins ute and the University of San Diego investigated the increase in gun violence in Mexico since 2006. The authors’ concluded that recent federal government regulations on arms trade has been “largely ineffective.”


    Firearms can be purchased in the United States legally, but end up crossing into Mexico illegally. The number of arms smuggled has increased since the late 1990′s and is shown in the study.


    Here are some key findings in the study:


    The percentage of firearms in the U.S. that end up in Mexico is estimated at 2.2 percent. In 1993, that number was at 1.75 percent.

    The number of firearms crossing into Mexico was at 235,000 a year from 2010 to 2012. From 1997 to 1999 when the federal Assault Weapons Ban (AWB) was in place, the number was at 88,000 a year.

    Based on the quan y of U.S. firearms in Mexico, revenue in 2010-2012 would equate to $127.2 million for manufacturers. The 1997-1999 time frame equates to $32 million in revenue.

    According to a 2009 reports, 14.7 percent of smuggled firearms are seized by authorities. Of that percentage, Mexican authorities are responsible for 12.7 percent and U.S. authorities are responsible for 2 percent of firearms seized.

    http://ivn.us/editors-blog/2013/03/2...s-trafficking/

    So MX "seizing" smuggled firearms says there's no "open carry" guns business with MX. And if there were "open carry" across the border, why is there so much gun smuggling?
    Igarape Ins ute

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    MX govt has said many times that most of the gun crimes in MX are with US-sourced guns.
    It has always been the corrupt Mexican governments position that all their cartel problems are the fault of the US.

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    It has always been the corrupt Mexican governments position that all their cartel problems are the fault of the US.
    the MX drug violence is almost 100% due to the US market for illegal drugs, and due to the corrupt US govt's corrupt War on Drugs.

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    The cartels are also heavily into human smuggling, tolls for safe passage, and kidnap for ransom.

    Plus they own the Mexican government.
    Last edited by CosmicCowboy; 03-21-2013 at 07:39 AM.

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    you and TB haven't debunked anything other than in your own fantasies.
    Why do we need to? Your moonbat blog feed is doing that nicely. lol ingarape.

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    Why do we need to? Your moonbat blog feed is doing that nicely. lol ingarape.
    show your own opposing numbers, or cordially STFU

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    Mexicans have a cons utional right to own firearms,[1] but legal purchase from the single Mexican gun shop in Mexico City, controlled by the Army, is extremely difficult.[2] "According to [U.S.] Justice Department figures, in the past five years 94,000 weapons have been recovered from Mexican drug cartels, of which 64,000 -- 70 percent -- come from the United States."[3] Once guns are obtained at gunshops in the United States, they are then smuggled into Mexico across the US-Mexico border.[4][5] In other cases the guns are obtained through Guatemalan borders[6] or stolen from the police or military.[7] Consequently, black market firearms are widely available. Many firearms are acquired in the U.S. by women with no criminal history, who transfer their purchases to smugglers through relatives, boyfriends and acquaintances and then smuggled to Mexico a few at a time.[8] The most common smuggled firearms include AR-15 and AK-47 type rifles, and FN 5.7 caliber semi-automatic pistols. Many firearms are purchased in the United States in a semi-automatic configuration before being converted to fire as select fire machine guns.[9] Mexico seized in 2009 a combined total of more than 4,400 firearms of the AK-47 and AR-15 type, and 30% of AK-47 type rifles seized have been modified to select fire weapons, effectively creating assault rifles.[10]


    Also, there are multiple reports of grenade launchers being used against security forces,[11] and at least twelve M4 Carbines with M203 grenade launchers have been confiscated.[12] It was believed that some of these high powered weapons and related accessories may have been stolen from U.S. military bases.[13][14] However, most U.S. military grade weapons such as grenades and light anti-tank rockets are acquired by the cartels through the huge supply of arms left over from the wars in Central America and Asia. It has been reported that there have been 150,000 desertions from the Mexican army during 2003 to 2009. Stated another way, about one-eighth of the Mexican army deserts annually.[15] Many of these deserters take their government-issued automatic rifles with them while leaving. Some of those weapons originate from the USA.[16]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smuggli...ms_into_Mexico

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    show your own opposing numbers, or cordially STFU
    I'll admit I really don't have a number. But neither do your moonbat blogs.
    Familiar with the term "sample size"? Of course not. That's why you swallow moonbat propaganda like the good little sycophant you are.
    Of only 30,000 seized weapons, 7,200 were actually traced. How you pull a quarter million out of that sample is an exercise in blatant dishonesty...which is your MO.

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    @ this blaming the US for Mexican Army deserters going over to the cartels with the weapons the Mexican government supplied them.

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    Time for another boutons goal post move....he can't vet his own numbers. Shocking. Not.

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    Time for another boutons goal post move....he can't vet his own numbers. Shocking. Not.
    The worst part of the so called "sample" was that the 7200 out of 30,000 gun sample was cherry picked by the Mexican government with a vested interest in proving their premise that most guns come from the US.

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    boutons is a joke

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    Because it was in the Justice Departments best interest (anti-gun) they took those sample numbers and ran with them. Homeland Security (ICE in particular) threw the bull flag and flat out said the report was massively flawed.

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    Why aren't you liberals complaining about the Billion plus rounds of ammunition?

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    Why aren't you liberals complaining about the Billion plus rounds of ammunition?
    Who do you think is selling all that ammo at the gun shows? It's those homeland security guys making a killing selling all that ammo they have supposedly shot up "practicing".

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