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A lot of spoiled Spurs fans is all I'm reading. Can't believe how quickly people can turn.
That ball was totally off of Manu. You can't just run into the lane, fall over and throw the ball out of bounds with the game on the line. Make a real ing play, Manu. And for the love of god, get your damned handles/passes back under control. This is getting annoying.
We survived his idiocy.
A lot of spoiled Spurs fans is all I'm reading. Can't believe how quickly people can turn.
after seeing those crazy Argentinian fans chant for Manu in the postgame, I think I understand the devotion of Nono and CoM a little better.
for your countrymen!!!!
Still haven't been able to put it all together and that's really going to start hindering them as we get teams that are gearing up for playoff runs. Miami on Sunday will be a rude awakening if we turn the ball over 18 times.
Yeah thats fine, but you still can see what the truth is and no need to be delusional when it comes to your fave player, take the sunglasses off and call it. He is playing like lately and I know he is from their country but truth is truth.after seeing those crazy Argentinian fans chant for Manu in the postgame, I think I understand the devotion of Nono and CoM a little better.
Some damn homer from there on youtube said the Spurs don't sniff the finals without Manu those years! I nearly wanted to go smack him and said yeah I mean there is a guy named Duncan too who single handedly willed them to the finals and won in 03 (They were an old vet and younger team without another superstar!) and he also dominated in 99 before Manu was there, I am sure he had some to do with the Spurs winning. That turned out to be the game since the Spurs can't buy a damn bucket with under a minute to go this year it seems. I have never seen them this bad down the stretch in a while.
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I've been calling a spade a spade, tbh... not sure what you mean... didn't see that part of the telecast either...after seeing those crazy Argentinian fans chant for Manu in the postgame, I think I understand the devotion of Nono and CoM a little better.
i'm mainly just busting your chops. earlier you kept saying these signs were non-issues, how the B team was limiting him. least you are acknowledging something now. hopefully he picks it up in the playoffs.
That last 3 helped, no?
Manu's 3 with 1:25 to go was HUGE. Hopefully that raise's his confidence for these upcoming games...
Yep you are a good fan, some I have met are a little too passive on calling a spade a spade and never say a bad word about their contryman. You though are fair.
tbh, his shooting got to a point that was no spinning that . It also coincided with TP and Neal going down, which was the worst moment possible. I'll be happy if he keeps hitting at 45%+ on 2s going forward. I think the turnovers will eventually go away if he's confident in his shot. Just a guess.
I hope so. He's been in a funk lately. Another le will surely depend on his game.
People calling for his early retirement are re ed.
without doing a video comparison, he looks a bit slower. I could be wrong, but he doesn't seem to get as many crafty or explosive layups as he used to, which is normal considering his age. but they always say a layup can get your jumpshots going, so maybe that's part of it.
if he can at least be crafty and nasty on D for the playoffs, I won't mind a reduction in shots. though if he can turn it on for a few games in the playoffs, it could be huge.
Anyone that is saying I cant wait for Manu Ginobili to retire should not be able to post on this site.
And I hope everyone getting on him know that, If Manu doesn't play like Manu we are going no where in the playoffs. Ive been seeing people saying bench him, put him on the end of the bench. WE ARE GOING NO WHERE WITHOUT HIM.
Work in progress, he played more within himself and really, a team as athletic as the Nuggs should make it that Manu has to pay extra attention. Against a team playing with an ego, the individuals on the court won't put in the extra effort to stop the Spurs. The Nuggets, as evidenced by their recent win streak play as cohesive as any other team in the MIX for a le.
I won't say he's finished. 1 month of up and down basketball isn't enough to convince me of anything. Parker played well, Duncan played decent, Green shot the lights out from 3 and yet, when it really mattered, it was the defense of the Spurs that won out. Refs could have called a handful of fouls on the Nuggets when it came to defending Ginobili. I ain't saying that it was as bad as this:
But man, Manu got pushed down to the ground a lot, it was almost comical, but what he did was simply get up and play harder. Okay, so maybe the days of 15 points in 10 minutes won't come as frequent, it's cool as long as his play helps elevate the others, if it does, I'll take it...turnovers and all.
theres 0 evidence to say were going nowhere without him tbh
Spurs played their best last season with ginobili injured most of the time
the only thing stopping them from winning the le last season was the roleplayers disappearing act in the wcf
Manu had his worst playoffs ever since his rookie season
He's due for an above average game.
It isn't so much that Manu is turning the ball over since he has always been a high risk player, but why do all of his turnovers seem to end in transition dunks.
He isn't as quick and what ends up happening is that what used to be a sure layup and sometimes an and1 ends up being a blocked shot. I think refs are giving him less the benefit of the doubt too, which is understandable as you age (has happened to Tim too).
But above all, he's been changing his game the last few seasons as more of a shooter and an assist man. His shooting has been crap in this stretch, and while the assists more or less have been there, the rest of the bench since Neal has been out has had a hard time putting the ball in the basket, which reflects poor on him too. There's really not much to add about the turnovers. They've been a problem and they're mostly on him. A lot of those plays are scripted Spurs plays and there shouldn't be a up, period.
Its understandable that he is a step slower but when he gets into the lane he's been real active about trying to draw fouls rather than just finishing strong and playing through the contact.
Here's my gripe with Manu. He's still clearly capable of penetrating towards the rim with his eurostep, even if he can't finish all that well.
What happens these days is he'll use his eurostep sparingly and try to finish whenever he does. And, if he wants to go into "facilitator mode," he'll hover around the 3 point line and dribble "east-west" instead of towards the basket, at which point he's inevitably hedged or doubled (temporarily) and he throws a pass to well-covered teammate.
I'd like to see him attack the basket with the eurostep looking to pass. That'd be a of a lot more effective than what he's doing right now.
Have Tiago or someone follow him down the middle towards the rim as he attacks with his eurostep. I don't see that from him anymore.
He did penetrate towards the rim and passed baseline to Kawhi who got a clean look for a 3, at least.
FWIW, Manu's 03-04 playoffs were worse than 11-12 by pretty much any measure.
He also averaged 18ppg in the WCF last season, shooting 50% from the field and 42% from downtown. He wasn't really needed in the first two rounds.
Hopefully he still has some juice left for that kind of production in the rounds we need him to step up.
That's one of the scripted plays I was talking about. There should be no reason for him not to execute those properly. He's not even asked to finish those.
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