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    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...wn-the-stretch

    1. Samuel Dalembert

    2. Al-Farouq Aminu

    3. Marreese Speights

    4. Jermaine O'Neal

    5.Andray Blatche,


    The list is obviously forward heavy. Which makes since considering Blair, & Bonner are likely gone.

    Rough Estimates my projected cap could be slightly higher or lower.

    The Spurs could have approximately $60.5 Million committed to 13 players heading into Free Agency this off season.

    Parker-$12.5 Million

    Duncan $10.3 Million

    Leonard-$1.8 Million

    Green-$3.7 Million

    Diaw-$4.7 Million

    Joseph-$1.1 Million

    De Colo-$1.4 Million

    Baynes-$788,872 Thousand

    Mills-$1.1 Million

    Bonner-$1 Million

    Jackson-$1.4 Million

    10 Players=$41.2 Million ($4.12 Average Per Player)

    +1st round pick $1.3 Million

    11 Players=$42.5 Million

    Assuming Bonner's is waived for $1 Million, Blair walks in Free Agency, Jackson resigns for the Vet Minimum (P.E.R of 8.3), Diaw & Mills pick up their options. Neal is gone (Mills (24), De Colo (25), & Joseph (21) are all at least 3 year younger and project as more well rounded players.

    + Splitter-10 Million

    +Ginobili-$8 Million
    (possible Salaries in in 13-14 season, probably going to be a little less than)

    13 Players-$60.5 Million.

    -If Neal is traded or leaves In RFA
    -The Spurs would have $10 Million before reaching the Luxury Tax Line

    -The Spurs would have use of the full mid level exception. Which they could use to sign a player like...

    Al-Farouq Aminu-A taller, more athletic version of Kawhi Leonard (with a lower ceiling) . Former lotto pick from the Clippers capable of playing either forward spot. Could replace Jackson as a backup 3 or Become Duncan's backup at the 4.

    Marreese Speights
    -An athletic big man who can score in the post and board wells. Can play PF or Center. Would be an excellent addition with Duncan missing games due to rest more than capable as a starter. Currently averaging 8 pts 5 rpg and 17.82 P.E.R in 16.5 Mpg With Memphis/Cleveland.

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    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...wn-the-stretch

    1. Samuel Dalembert

    2. Al-Farouq Aminu

    3. Marreese Speights

    4. Jermaine O'Neal

    5.Andray Blatche,


    The list is obviously forward heavy. Which makes since considering Blair, & Bonner are likely gone.

    Rough Estimates my projected cap could be slightly higher or lower.

    The Spurs could have approximately $60.5 Million committed to 13 players heading into Free Agency this off season.

    Parker-$12.5 Million

    Duncan $10.3 Million

    Leonard-$1.8 Million

    Green-$3.7 Million

    Diaw-$4.7 Million

    Joseph-$1.1 Million

    De Colo-$1.4 Million

    Baynes-$788,872 Thousand

    Mills-$1.1 Million

    Bonner-$1 Million

    Jackson-$1.4 Million

    10 Players=$41.2 Million ($4.12 Average Per Player)

    +1st round pick $1.3 Million

    11 Players=$42.5 Million

    Assuming Bonner's is waived for $1 Million, Blair walks in Free Agency, Jackson resigns for the Vet Minimum (P.E.R of 8.3), Diaw & Mills pick up their options. Neal is gone (Mills (24), De Colo (25), & Joseph (21) are all at least 3 year younger and project as more well rounded players.

    + Splitter-10 Million

    +Ginobili-$8 Million
    (possible Salaries in in 13-14 season, probably going to be a little less than)

    13 Players-$60.5 Million.

    -If Neal is traded or leaves In RFA
    -The Spurs would have $10 Million before reaching the Luxury Tax Line

    -The Spurs would have use of the full mid level exception. Which they could use to sign a player like...

    Al-Farouq Aminu-A taller, more athletic version of Kawhi Leonard (with a lower ceiling) . Former lotto pick from the Clippers capable of playing either forward spot. Could replace Jackson as a backup 3 or Become Duncan's backup at the 4.

    Marreese Speights
    -An athletic big man who can score in the post and board wells. Can play PF or Center. Would be an excellent addition with Duncan missing games due to rest more than capable as a starter. Currently averaging 8 pts 5 rpg and 17.82 P.E.R in 16.5 Mpg With Memphis/Cleveland.
    Speights has a low BBIQ. Not really Spurs material. Other teams don't even want him. He's coming into his first FA period on his 3rd team.

    Aminu's alright, but not worth the Mid level.

    Another possibility is Wes Johnson. He also under performed on his rookie deal.

    You might actually be able to sign two of them for the mid level.

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    That's a weird article. I pretty much disagree with all of the guy's numbers. If the Spurs went into the off-season with this plan, I'd be very disappointed.

    Also, why does he have Jack on the books for $1.4 Million? Even if the Spurs plan to re-sign him for that much, he should be in the same section with Ginobili and Splitter.

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    aminu would be a dream free agency pick up. i think he is exactly the kind of player the spurs need.

    that late 1st will be interesting. i'm hoping it turns out to be branden dawson or andre roberson. aminu and dawson/roberson > the turd towers.

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    That's a weird article. I pretty much disagree with all of the guy's numbers. If the Spurs went into the off-season with this plan, I'd be very disappointed.

    Also, why does he have Jack on the books for $1.4 Million? Even if the Spurs plan to re-sign him for that much, he should be in the same section with Ginobili and Splitter.
    Jackson has earned $8-10 million dollars while producing at nearly half of the league average P.E.R (8.3 Average is 15). That makes 0 sense. In the past he would have been a Mid level exception type. But that market is much more selective. Petrius & KMart sat out most of the season hoping to be picked up for more than the vet minimum. Teams aren't willing to spend 5+ million for that "vet presence" the vet minimum is about right for Captain. If Duncan can take a massive pay cut. Parker playing for well below his market value. Jackson would be expected to take a hit. I'd still expect him to return even at 1.4 million.

    Neal is likely gone, Blair & Bonner as well. We have a cap hold for our 1st round pick which should be no more than 1.3 million. Splitter will easily get $10 million on the market. Manu will get 5-8 million from the spurs next season.

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    aminu would be a dream free agency pick up. i think he is exactly the kind of player the spurs need.

    that late 1st will be interesting. i'm hoping it turns out to be branden dawson or andre roberson. aminu and dawson/roberson > the turd towers.
    I agree with aminu, that would be a nice pick up but dawson and Roberson are a little iffy.

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    kawhi and aminu in the same line up would be nice...

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    Speights has a low BBIQ. Not really Spurs material. Other teams don't even want him. He's coming into his first FA period on his 3rd team.

    Aminu's alright, but not worth the Mid level.

    Another possibility is Wes Johnson. He also under performed on his rookie deal.

    You might actually be able to sign two of them for the mid level.
    Speights would be an instant upgrade over Bonner, & Blair. In limited action, with smart players and great passers could be a great pickup and relatively cheap.

    Johnson is someone I hadn't thought about he could be a late bloomer.

    I still think Aminu is the best of the list. He's 6'10, long, Athletic and still very young. I'd be willing to go up that high, personally.

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    The numbers are all off. You haven't account for things like Splitters cap hold likely being lower than his expected deal, thus allowing us flexibility under the cap.

    Aminu is a good prospect. If we use our cap space (Could be anywhere from $6m-$11m depending on what the cap is and what contract Manu accepts) to sign a big man and offer Aminu the Room Exception ($5m/2yr) I'd be very happy. Aminu might command more though.

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    Bonner's not going anywhere..

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    I hope Manu isnt staying for money. Hometown discount will be appreciated.

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    You people are still living in the past. With the new CBA, high first round washouts already dumped by their drafting teams like Aminu and Wes Johnson won't get anywhere near the mid level. They won't ever be stars. Their flaws, physical or mental, have been exposed. They'll need to be developed, and no one is going to pay them $6M a year for that privilege.

    It's a new day. Fewer full mid level deals, fewer MAX contracts. Unless you're a sure fire superstar, you will get a less than MAX offer at extension time, and if you don't accept, they'll let other teams (who are also spending less money now) set the market, and either match or not.

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    Bonner's not going anywhere..
    Yes he is. He'll get a handshake and a check for $1M and be shown the world, or he'll be traded to someone who will do that. They're not going to pay him $3.75M for mop up duty when then can pay him $1M to go away.

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    Jackson has earned $8-10 million dollars while producing at nearly half of the league average P.E.R (8.3 Average is 15). That makes 0 sense. In the past he would have been a Mid level exception type. But that market is much more selective. Petrius & KMart sat out most of the season hoping to be picked up for more than the vet minimum. Teams aren't willing to spend 5+ million for that "vet presence" the vet minimum is about right for Captain. If Duncan can take a massive pay cut. Parker playing for well below his market value. Jackson would be expected to take a hit. I'd still expect him to return even at 1.4 million.

    Neal is likely gone, Blair & Bonner as well. We have a cap hold for our 1st round pick which should be no more than 1.3 million. Splitter will easily get $10 million on the market. Manu will get 5-8 million from the spurs next season.
    When I said Jack should be in the other section, I meant as a player getting re-signed. Where he is now on that lists suggests Jack is ALREADY going to count for $1.4 Million against the Spurs' cap. I don't know why the writer did that.

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    The numbers are all off. You haven't account for things like Splitters cap hold likely being lower than his expected deal, thus allowing us flexibility under the cap.

    Aminu is a good prospect. If we use our cap space (Could be anywhere from $6m-$11m depending on what the cap is and what contract Manu accepts) to sign a big man and offer Aminu the Room Exception ($5m/2yr) I'd be very happy. Aminu might command more though.
    Once resolved I meant that once Splitter, Ginobili's & Jackson's contracts are resolved. I know about cap holds once you agree to a new deal with that player than the cap hold goes away (or renounce that player)

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    When I said Jack should be in the other section, I meant as a player getting re-signed. Where he is now on that lists suggests Jack is ALREADY going to count for $1.4 Million against the Spurs' cap. I don't know why the writer did that.
    The top half is from Bleacher Report the rest is me. I misunderstood what you meant. I put Jackson that far down because. Its only an estimate of what his next contract will be since he is an free agent the top half of the spurs salaries are for players who have contracts who run through next season (including player options) His cap hold is going to be something like $20 million+ so the spurs would have to sign him or renounce him rather quickly. I think they will offer him a Vet Min.

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    The top half is from Bleacher Report the rest is me. I misunderstood what you meant. I put Jackson that far down because. Its only an estimate of what his next contract will be since he is an free agent the top half of the spurs salaries are for players who have contracts who run through next season (including player options) His cap hold is going to be something like $20 million+ so the spurs would have to sign him or renounce him rather quickly. I think they will offer him a Vet Min.
    If that's what they offer him, they should just wait until after free agents sign. Worst come to worst, they can fit that into the room exception.

    One thing to consider, though, is that signing Jack to a one-year minimum deal would only cost something like 900k (it used to be 854k). The league would pay the balance of the deal, giving the Spurs about another half a million in room.

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    If that's what they offer him, they should just wait until after free agents sign.
    His cap hold is going to be something like $20 million+ so the spurs would have to sign him or renounce him rather quickly.

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    I know what his cap hold is. I mean they should just give up his bird rights and wait until after they sign everyone else to sign him. It makes for sense for everyone to wait. They can sign Jack to a minimum deal no matter how much room they have, so the hold isn't necessary.

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    If Pop is as enamored with Bonner as everyone thinks he is, then why is he racking up the DNP CDs lately?

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    If Chip can get Aminu to shoot 3's at a decent clip he'd be beast

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    Yes he is. He'll get a handshake and a check for $1M and be shown the world, or he'll be traded to someone who will do that. They're not going to pay him $3.75M for mop up duty when then can pay him $1M to go away.
    I'd love for that to be the case but I have a bad feeling Pop would put his foot down on it

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    I know what his cap hold is. I mean they should just give up his bird rights and wait until after they sign everyone else to sign him. It makes for sense for everyone to wait. They can sign Jack to a minimum deal no matter how much room they have, so the hold isn't necessary.
    Can they renounce his rights and then resign him later? Or does than not apply if they agree to a vet min. deal? If so then yes that could work but Captain & Manu's [massive] cap holds need to be resolved with quickness. I believe its 150% of their previous salary. So Captains actually would be $15 Million.

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    I have the exact Cap Holds courtsesy of Hoopsworld.com

    Manu Ginobili-$19.1
    Stephen Jackson-$15.0
    Splitter-$9.6

    The Spurs could get this resolved within a week or so during the off season. Then they should have something like $60.5 Million committed to 13 players ( based on my aforementioned estimates above)

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    Yes he is. He'll get a handshake and a check for $1M and be shown the world, or he'll be traded to someone who will do that. They're not going to pay him $3.75M for mop up duty when then can pay him $1M to go away.
    Agreed. It would be inconceivable to keep him as bench warmer for nearly $4 Million. He also would allow them to get another body on roster,by cutting him.

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