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    Ran across this review of a topic I haven't heard much about lately, at least not from the perspective of depopulation and its possible perils.

    http://bookforum.com/inprint/020_01/11232

    They continue to. By 1979 the global fertility rate was 6.0, and now it’s 2.52, according to UN data. All first-world countries are already below a 2.1 rate, the “replacement level” needed to keep a population constant, and fertility rates are plummeting throughout developing nations as well. “Today,” writes Last, “only 3 percent of the world’s population lives in a country whose fertility rate is not declining.” The UN projects that world population, currently around seven billion, will peak over the next eighty-five years between ten billion and twelve billion people before starting a long and inexorable decline. Which is, Last argues, precisely the real cataclysm humanity faces. Though he says he isn’t “selling doom,” Last’s own last-days prediction is right there in his book’s sub le: America’s Coming Demographic Disaster. Building on trends identified and anxieties aired by writers such as Phillip Longman (author of 2004’s The Empty Cradle: How Falling Birthrates Threaten World Prosperity and What to Do About It), Last invokes a vision of the future that is basically a photographic negative of Ehrlich’s.

    Absent massive, sustained levels of immigration, he writes, low-birthrate countries such as Italy, Spain, Germany, and Greece will by century’s end see “their populations . . . shrink by 86 percent, 85 percent, 83 percent, and 74 percent, respectively.” This is already happening in Japan, where the population peaked a few years back at around 127 million, and is now contracting. “If Japan’s fertility stays where it is,” Last writes, “the country will contract by more than half—to 56.8 million—by the end of the century.” In the United States, our fertility rate of around 2.0 has been inflated by immigrant mothers, who tend to have more kids than native-born women. But not only is a thirty-year wave of immigration subsiding; the women who are still coming to America are also starting to have fewer babies.
    Interesting stuff

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    Hispanic Pregnancies Fall in U.S. as Women Choose Smaller Families




    The decline in birthrates was steepest among Mexican-American women and women who immigrated from Mexico, at 25.7 percent. This has reversed a trend in which immigrant mothers accounted for a rising share of births in the United States, according to a recentreport by the Pew Research Center. In 2010, birthrates among all Hispanics reached their lowest level in 20 years, the center found.

    The sudden drop-off, which coincided with the onset of the recession, suggests that at udes have changed since the days when older generations of Latinos prized large families and more closely followed Roman Catholic teachings, which forbid artificial contraception.


    Interviews with young Latinas, as well as reproductive health experts, show that the reasons for deciding to have fewer children are many, involving greater access to information about contraceptives and women’s health, as well as higher education.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/01/he...nics.html?_r=0

    Non-industrial countries want to consume energy, food, and consumer like industrial countries' lifestyles, but there isn't enough food, water, and energy to go around. Their is over-capacity in producing consumer , but that also consumes water and energy.

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    The really scary demographic for the US is that 48% of all first born children in the US are currently being born to unwed mothers...typically undereducated, unskilled underclass, resulting in an ever growing dependent class and a constantly shrinking productive class.

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    The really scary demographic for the US is that 48% of all first born children in the US are currently being born to unwed mothers...typically undereducated, unskilled underclass, resulting in an ever growing dependent class and a constantly shrinking productive class.
    Yes.

    You and I, and other tax paying citizens end up paying for them.

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    Yes.

    You and I, and other tax paying citizens end up paying for them.
    right wing myth, which will be even more myth when the undoc immigrants get legal residence permit, SSN, file taxes, and health insurance.

    What you aren't paying for is fruit and veg prices if ag workers were paid at least minimum wage, or better.

    America is progressing, in spite of you retrograde assholes.

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    america will never have any concern about a lack of population imho, when the US is the favorite place to live in for 90% of people from the rest of the world. just open up the borders and the US population will exceed china within a month tbh.

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    Long story short: war. The social pyramid systems collapse with these rates, obviously.

    White people, who invented and have been sustaining these systems, aren't reproducing themselves nearly enough.
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    white, conservative right-wingers racism here becomes blatant, matching the racism of the Repug and tea bagger politicians.

    "social pyramid systems collapse"

    It's not the non-whites that are the main risk to USA (and the planet), it's the 1% sucking the wealth of the 99%, the criminal, untouchable financial system, the polluting, murdering corporations.

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    Racism!!

    Please explain how declining birthrates are going to pay for an aging population, everywhere. And it's simply a fact that whites: 1.) pay a higher percentage of the taxes, and 2.) Have lower birthrates than non-whites. Racism!!

    The fraction of a fraction of the 1% that runs the financial system is signigicantly criminal though.

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    Racism!!

    Please explain how declining birthrates are going to pay for an aging population, everywhere. And it's simply a fact that whites: 1.) pay a higher percentage of the taxes, and 2.) Have lower birthrates than non-whites. Racism!!

    The fraction of a fraction of the 1% that runs the financial system is signigicantly criminal though.
    so, in fact, you are FOR what the Repugs derice a a Ponzi scheme?

    Privatizing SS into the criminal financial sector would be a bigger disaster than declining birth rates.

    more babies objectified simply as sources of tax revenue, sorta like woman objectified as vaginas. What's not to love about right-wing politics?

    The biggest demographic event is Hitler's baby boom, not declining birth rates.

    The biggest financial problem is the greedy health care sector over-charging while not getting any better outcomes than other industrial countries with $Ks per capita less in health spending.

    If you want more babies, then make it cheaper, easier to have babies, with subsidized births, low-cost child care centers, fully paid, long-term maternity leave, etc, etc. Repugs will obstruct all that.

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    If you want more babies, then make it cheaper, easier to have babies, with subsidized births, low-cost child care centers, fully paid, long-term maternity leave, etc, etc. Repugs will obstruct all that.
    That defeats the purpose.

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    Long story short: war. The social pyramid systems collapse with these rates, obviously.

    White people, who invented and have been sustaining these systems, aren't reproducing themselves nearly enough.
    mightn't there be some way to encourage young, educated people from more traditional (i.e., Roman Catholic or paternalistic) countries to immigrate?

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    They're not having enough kids either. Muslims are for now though... that can only end well for Europe

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    mightn't there be some way to encourage young, educated people from more traditional (i.e., Roman Catholic or paternalistic) countries to immigrate?
    Fine, if there are good paying jobs for them to take to help pull the wagon, instead of becoming part of those who are being pulled in the wagon.

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    It wouldn't be so bad if the large generations would have paid their own way instead of piling up debt and sailing off into the en lement sunset.

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    Racism!!

    Please explain how declining birthrates are going to pay for an aging population, everywhere. And it's simply a fact that whites: 1.) pay a higher percentage of the taxes, and 2.) Have lower birthrates than non-whites. Racism!!

    The fraction of a fraction of the 1% that runs the financial system is signigicantly criminal though.
    they also receive the most welfare. hispanics also have the fastest declining fertility rate

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    Whites receive the most welfare for the same reason that they shoot the most people.

    Hispanic birthrates decline the least because whites and blacks have dropped off of a cliff, which is the point of this thread.
    Last edited by BradLohaus; 04-02-2013 at 05:43 AM.

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    Whites receive the most welfare for the same reason that they shoot the most people.

    Hispanic birthrates decline the least because whites and blacks have dropped off of a cliff, which is the point of this thread.
    percentages are not sheer numbers. they are proportions. and whites have not dropped off a cliff. the fertility rates for whites in 1990 was 1.9, it was also 1.9 in 2000 and dropped to 1.8 in 2010. Blacks only dropped from 2.2 to 2.0 from 2000 to 2010. hispanic birthrates have declined the most actually (from 3.0 to 2.4 since 1990)

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    percentages are not sheer numbers. they are proportions. and whites have not dropped off a cliff. the fertility rates for whites in 1990 was 1.9, it was also 1.9 in 2000 and dropped to 1.8 in 2010. Blacks only dropped from 2.2 to 2.0 from 2000 to 2010. hispanic birthrates have declined the most actually (from 3.0 to 2.4 since 1990)
    Awwww I wanted to make more sweeping generalizations decrying Caucasian victimization at the hands of profligate, melanin-rich barbarians and their jihadist counterparts abroad!

    Shucks

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    Awwww I wanted to make more sweeping generalizations decrying Caucasian victimization at the hands of profligate, melanin-rich barbarians and their jihadist counterparts abroad!

    Shucks
    Go for it, Admiral. Look to WC for inspiration.

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    Go for it, Admiral. Look to WC for inspiration.
    Awwww you already know Cobra's wisdom sustains me... he's like that poem about the footprints.

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    Awwww I wanted to make more sweeping generalizations decrying Caucasian victimization at the hands of profligate, melanin-rich barbarians and their jihadist counterparts abroad!

    Shucks

    yes, this shameful part of our history will one day replace the holocaust, slavery, and all ethnic genocides as our darkest age.

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    Awwww you already know Cobra's wisdom sustains me... he's like that poem about the footprints.
    I always thought of you as a "wind beneath my wings" kind of guy.

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    How is this piece of not banned already?

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