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    You said that any player on the court when his team is outscored has, by virtue of that fact, played poorly.

    That's an incredibly simplistic and terrible take.
    Well, it doesn't really matter how well you've played or how much improvement you've shown as an individual in any one game. If the team plays poorly whilst you're on the court, by virtue of being outscored, then how can you possibly justify that that player had a positive impact on the game?

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    whilst your on the court
    lol

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    Thanks for picking that up. My excuse is that it's 3:00 am here in Australia.

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    Well, it doesn't really matter how well you've played or how much improvement you've shown as an individual in any one game. If the team plays poorly whilst your on the court, by virtue of being outscored, then how can you possibly justify that that player had a positive impact on the game?


    You're backing away from your original take, but that's to be expected.

    Your question includes the same terrible take. Answering it, as phrased, would lend credence to that terrible take.

    A proper question would be:

    Q: How can you justify that a player had a positive impact during a segment of the game in which his team was outscored?

    A: By watching the game.
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    Boomersgold always finds a way to bring down Nando. Here's another case.

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    You're backing away from original take, but that's to be expected.

    Your question includes the same terrible take. Answering it, as phrased, would lend credence to that terrible take.

    A proper question would be:

    Q: How can you justify that a player had a positive impact during a segment of the game in which his team was outscored?

    A: By watching the game.
    Rewriting my question but with different wording makes it a "proper question"?

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    Boomersgold always finds a way to bring down Nando. Here's another case.
    Well, I'm a Patty fan, as you all know. I still prefer Nando at the backup point guard spot over Cojo though.

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    Rewriting my question but with different wording makes it a "proper question"?
    Rewriting it to take out the erroneous premise contained in your question does exactly that.

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    Well, I'm a Patty fan, as you all know. I still prefer Nando at the backup point guard spot over Cojo though.
    That's fine and all, but it doesn't mean you have to bring that terrible take on here. It's not like we're comparing to Bonner to Splitter. It's Patty to Nando. Both have had the opportunity to take up the backup PG and haven't been impressive enough to do it. For the record, I'm a Patty fan myself but I'm also very critical of him as well as I am with Nando. I'm secretly rooting for Patty myself, but I'm not gonna be a blind homer and bring up But he plays better with Manu. He's the best 3 pt shooter on the team anytime Nando has an impressive game.

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    De Colo was also a -7 in +/- in 11 minutes of playing time. Playing with toughness is great, but if you're not helping your team outscore the opposition then you've played poorly.
    Well, Spurs could have even been outscored by more point in these 11 minutes.

    You had to have realistic expectations for De Colo. He isn't a great player and is a rookie. He certainly isn't able to carry the bench like Manu did in the past. Lately, he has been better because he has cut a lot of mistakes but he still doesn't make a lot of positives plays.

    With their current bench, Spurs can't be dominant when Parker is out. The best they can do, against a great bench like the Clippers one, is to limit damage which they did quite well yesterday. It can change if Manu came back at his December/January level.

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    Well, it doesn't really matter how well you've played or how much improvement you've shown as an individual in any one game. If the team plays poorly whilst you're on the court, by virtue of being outscored, then how can you possibly justify that that player had a positive impact on the game?


    youre either an idiot. or an incredibly clever troll. but im betting on the former

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    That's fine and all, but it doesn't mean you have to bring that terrible take on here. It's not like we're comparing to Bonner to Splitter. It's Patty to Nando. Both have had the opportunity to take up the backup PG and haven't been impressive enough to do it. For the record, I'm a Patty fan myself but I'm also very critical of him as well as I am with Nando. I'm secretly rooting for Patty myself, but I'm not gonna be a blind homer and bring up But he plays better with Manu. He's the best 3 pt shooter on the team anytime Nando has an impressive game.
    Trust me, I'm just as critical of Patty as everyone else on here. Every time he makes the bad pass, misses a wide open three, turns the ball over, etc, etc, I'll negatively criticize him for it because I know that it lowers his chances of winning that backup spot. Bringing up the fact that he plays better with Manu, and that he's a better three point shooter than De Colo (I've never said that he's the best three point shooter on the team) isn't being a "blind homer" as they are proven facts. Timvp's playing pair analysis shows that out of all the backup pgs on the team, the Spurs generate the largest point differential per 100 possessions when Manu plays with Patty. As for their three point shooting, De Colo may slightly have a higher percentage (by 0.6%), but factor in the fact that Patty's played 156 minutes less than De Colo and that he still has 17 more threes than DC, and you can easily say that Mills is the better shooter of the two.

    The reason why you don't see me criticizing Patty near as much as De Colo is simply because De Colo's been given much more meaningful minutes than Patty. There isn't any need to bring down Patty (or anyone else for that matter) if he plays poorly in a minute of garbage time.
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    Correct me if I'm wrong but I see Griffin really struggled against Splitter's D..hesitant to shoot at times, well I will watch the replay again..
    Yeah, Griffin pump faked a jumper to drive but Splitter didnt bite so Griffin had no choice but to shoot and Splitter may have got a hand on it. Great D.

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    Honestly, the Hero played awful defense and shot 3-10 from the field, per par. I don't understand how he got an A-. More like a C, tbh.

    I mean, I guess it's all relative, but he still played pretty poorly, tbh.

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