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    This is getting beyond ridiculous already, I thought I was reading an Onion article. Kobe was discussing why he and Shaq inevitably had to go their separate ways in a Yahoo article.

    Thinks he is MJ
    Stuck at 5
    Can't pass the first round without an elite center and Phil Jackson

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--as...184336128.html

    "It was inevitable," Bryant said. "You can't expect Michael [Jordan] to play with Wilt [Chamberlain] for his entire career. That's just not going to work. I had too much talent and too much to showcase. And then there was a challenge issued by him about me not being able to win without him. That's a challenge I couldn't pass.

    "But ultimately during those years I sacrificed a lot, numbers-wise, to play with him. The thing that always bothered me was people said, 'Well, Kobe's selfish.' I'm not selfish. If I was selfish, I would have left. I gave up a lot to play with him."

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    Kobe. If it wasnt for Shaq Kobe wouldnt have developed like he did

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    This is getting beyond ridiculous already, I thought I was reading an Onion article. Kobe was discussing why he and Shaq inevitably had to go their separate ways in a Yahoo article.

    Thinks he is MJ
    Stuck at 5
    Can't pass the first round without an elite center and Phil Jackson

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--as...184336128.html
    Kobe. If it wasnt for Shaq Kobe wouldnt have developed like he did
    Boiled down:::

    Kobe: 2

    Daddy: 1

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    Boiled down:::

    Kobe: 2

    Daddy: 1
    And Kobe is still bitter

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    notthewordsofonewhokneels Thread's Avatar
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    And Kobe is still bitter
    This is true.

    It's never enough for a sociopath.

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    This is getting beyond ridiculous already, I thought I was reading an Onion article. Kobe was discussing why he and Shaq inevitably had to go their separate ways in a Yahoo article.

    Thinks he is MJ
    Stuck at 5
    Can't pass the first round without an elite center and Phil Jackson

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--as...184336128.html
    Not that I doubt his ego puts him on equal footing with MJ (he is not) ... I think he was just using those two names for example purposes. Wilt being the most dominant scoring center and MJ the most dominant scoring perimter player. Shaq/Kobe are 4th and 6th all-time in scoring who was he supposed to use as examples David Robinson and Reggie Miller?!

    Not saying Kobe is not an egotistical ass he is, but I think this is much ado about nothing tbh ...we all know Kobe's ego is biggertrhan Kanye's.

    The next line is the one that should make people roll their eyes ("I had to much talent to showcase") ... even as a Laker fan I wish he had not said that, but at least he is honest. He also went on to say that winning without Shaq was an obsession which may have worked for us in the end ... but I would of preferred he had not said that either. OF course he won but the motives do sound selfish no matter what he says.

    And of course Kobe may not have developed the same without Shaq despite having to share their were plusses and minuses playing with Shaq. Plus Shaq drew double teams etc. But he also clogged the lane with two big men ...he and his defender.

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    Chamberlain took a lesser role with the Lakers and deferred scoring to West, Baylor and Goodrich so he could concentrate on dominating on defense and the boards. Chamberlain was a consummate sportsman. Him doing that was a huge reason why that 73 squad was the best team to ever grace a basketball court.

    MJ alienated people sure but AFAIK he never drove someone off his team because they were too talented. He never had to contend with playing with someone better than him because noone in his era was better than him. That being said, I think that it is a stretch that he would have chased off Magic or Bird because he had to get his. That's Kobe's gig.

    Kobe is an unbelievably vainglorious bag. He more or less admitted that he is all about padding those stats.

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    notthewordsofonewhokneels Thread's Avatar
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    Chamberlain took a lesser role with the Lakers --- Chamberlain was a consummate sportsman.
    & Boston ended up burying Chamberlain & West deep in a in' hole they never really climbed out of. Magic decided he wasn't going down that path and buried those s in the same hole they'd dug for him.

    Same for Kobe. Once again Boston had dug a hole for a Laker. Tried to ward him off, scare him off, run him off. "We ain't comin' back to Los Angeles." They came back. Kobe dragged their ass back---then left 'em where he found 'em.

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    & Boston ended up burying Chamberlain & West deep in a in' hole they never really climbed out of. Magic decided he wasn't going down that path and buried those s in the same hole they'd dug for him.

    Same for Kobe. Once again Boston had dug a hole for a Laker. Tried to ward him off, scare him off, run him off. "We ain't comin' back to Los Angeles." They came back. Kobe dragged their ass back---then left 'em where he found 'em.
    You mean Gasol, Bynum, and Fisher? B/c we know what Kobe did Game 7.

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    B/c we know what Kobe did Game 7.
    Yep. 2 suicide drives into the front of the rim in the 4th quarter and the shovel to Artest that broke Pierce's hole.

    Just like that.

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    Haha, he was so obsessed, he led his team to two first round exits (one with out shooting the 2nd half t make a point), and a season missing the playoffs.

    His "obsession" didn't really become reality until the Grizzlies gifted him one of the best big man in the game at that point in Gasol. His obsession led him to chastised management for not trading Bynum for Kidd (turned out to be the right move), and blasting his crappy teammates (that would include Odom).

    Shaq won the first three, shrewd moves by the front office won the rest.

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    him thinking his MJ, not sure which MJ his referring too...but his more closer to mj the moonwalker then mj the baller...

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    Kirby is a massively egotistical got, what else is new?

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    Haha, he was so obsessed, he led his team to two first round exits (one with out shooting the 2nd half t make a point), and a season missing the playoffs.

    His "obsession" didn't really become reality until the Grizzlies gifted him one of the best big man in the game at that point in Gasol. His obsession led him to chastised management for not trading Bynum for Kidd (turned out to be the right move), and blasting his crappy teammates (that would include Odom).

    Shaq won the first three, shrewd moves by the front office won the rest.

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    what's most offensive to me is how everyone eats up the "shaq had a poor work ethic" angle. Shaq's poor work ethic was dominating the league. Would you rather have a hard working scrub? in 2004 shaq, poor work ethic and all, went to work against a pistons frontline that was stacked while kobe got his ass handed to him by a bunch of nobodies (2nd year prince, defensive ace rip hamilton and at that point journeyman billups).

    kobe complains that he needed a stage to show all he had, but at the same time complains that shaq wasnt doing enough? If shaq had played on the lakers his entire career like kobe did, he would have had more rings, kobe never had to play on teams that have/had never won like orlando, miami, phoenix etc.

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    His obsession led him to chastised management for not trading Bynum for Kidd (turned out to be the right move)
    That was at the old man's kid's (Jim) insistence. Led to 15 & 16 &:::

    Kobe: 5

    the tired old bag Duncan: 4

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    notthewordsofonewhokneels Thread's Avatar
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    what's most offensive to me is how everyone eats up the "shaq had a poor work ethic" angle.
    & when Daddy played there and was eating your lunch you cast him as down as well. Now, you're being dishonest, but:::

    Kobe: 5

    the tired old bag Duncan: 4

    compells you.

    Come ta Pappy.

    Signed,

    - Pappy

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    Kirby is a massively egotistical got, what else is new?
    Exactly. A functioning sociopath.

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    him thinking his MJ, not sure which MJ his referring too...but his more closer to mj the moonwalker then mj the baller...

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    His "obsession" didn't really become reality until the Grizzlies gifted him one of the best big man in the game at that point in Gasol.
    Gasol didn't win a single playoff game till Kobe took him in.

    Let us proceed...

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    Gasol didn't win a single playoff game till Kobe took him in.

    Let us proceed...
    Kobe cound't get out of the 1st round.

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    Gasol didn't win a single playoff game till Kobe took him in.

    Let us proceed...
    Who was the second best player on those Grizzlies teams? Battier? Doesn't matter, you said yourself the only thing that matters is winning in June.

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    DUNNO how much more help this clown needs

    04 4 future HOF on the team, he shoots them out of the finals
    12 4 future hof again, this time wont make playoffs

    overrated

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    That was at the old man's kid's (Jim) insistence. Led to 15 & 16 &:::

    Kobe: 5

    the tired old bag Duncan: 4
    You are right, Dr. Buss was the man, too bad his son had none of those instincts, should have passed the reigns to Mrs. KFC, then Kobe could win his sixth coattail ring and make it

    Kobe: 6
    Duncan: 4

    the same way as

    Horry: 7
    Kobe 6

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