Quick Grades: Spurs @ Grizzlies - Apr. 1

[spurraider21]

I'll give it one more shot:
2005-2007 Spurs:
- Most load shared by big 3. In tough stretches Manu or Duncan would bail the team out. (and Horry in that 1 piston game tbh)

2013 Spurs:
- Most load carried by Parker. In tough stretches someone else other than Parker needs to step up.

it's common sense really

Tim can easily be that guy. Your "too old" argument is invalid considering Tim has played his best ball in years this season. He can do what he did to the Clippers in the playoffs. You can also count on timely shots from some of the guys we have, like Green, Jax, Neal, as well as big defensive plays from Kawhi/Jax.

[ElNono]

I'll give it one more shot:
2005-2007 Spurs:
- Most load shared by big 3. In tough stretches Manu or Duncan would bail the team out. (and Horry in that 1 piston game tbh)

2013 Spurs:
- Most load carried by Parker. In tough stretches someone else other than Parker needs to step up.

it's common sense really

But you didn't say prime Manu or Duncan "bailed them out". You said they carried the team.

You can just tell me you misspoke. It's ok, it happens.

[hater]

Tim can easily be that guy. Your "too old" argument is invalid considering Tim has played his best ball in years this season. He can do what he did to the Clippers in the playoffs.

1 game, yes, maybe 2. I don't think old Timmy can carry us through 1 series thou

You can also count on timely shots from some of the guys we have, like Green, Jax, Neal, as well as big defensive plays from Kawhi/Jax.

I already said our only 2 hopes are Kawhi/Jax to step up. A big IF. and no, for every timely shot Green/Neal provide, they give up an easy basket on the other end.

[hater]

But you didn't say prime Manu or Duncan "bailed them out". You said they carried the team.

You can just tell me you misspoke. It's ok, it happens.

By everything can fall apart you could have deduced I meant when the going gets rough for a team. And by carried you could have deduced I meant a player being the X factor in carrying the team forward under those cir stances.

I'm sorry but not everything will be spoonfed to you here. You eventually have to learn skills of logic and deduction.

[ElNono]

By everything can fall apart you could have deduced I meant when the going gets rough for a team. And by carried you could have deduced I meant a player being the X factor in carrying the team forward under those cir stances.

I'm sorry but not everything will be spoonfed to you here. You eventually have to learn skills of logic and deduction.

So when you said 'carried', you meant 'bail out'... crofl

I would agree with your assessment that prime Parker is the inferior player when compared to prime Manu...

[ElNono]

BTW, you never said everything can fall apart

keep moving the goalposts though, you might end up back where you started and finally address what you meant by that post...

[hater]

So when you said 'carried', you meant 'bail out'... crofl

I would agree with your assessment that prime Parker is the inferior player when compared to prime Manu...

again with the bads. Eventually the diapers will have to come off ElNono

and regarding prime Manu vs prime Parker. Different players. Even prime Manu was too fragile to maintain 100% level during the season. The few lucky times he arrived at playoffs healthy, he was probably more successful than Parker. But the countless times he arrived hurt and hurt the team's chances probably cancel out that advantage. Not to mention bumpercar Ginobili even healthy cost us a few important games (game 7 vs mavs, etc)

very different players but very equivalent IMO. I can't really say either one is better than the other. Manu may have shone brighter but for so little time, while Parker shines close to that and much more consistently.

[ElNono]

and regarding prime Manu vs prime Parker. Different players. Even prime Manu was too fragile to maintain 100% level during the season. The few lucky times he arrived at playoffs healthy, he was probably more successful than Parker. But the countless times he arrived hurt and hurt the team's chances probably cancel out that advantage. Not to mention bumpercar Ginobili even healthy cost us a few important games (game 7 vs mavs, etc)

But he could 'carry' (your words, not mine) the team in tough playoff stretches and while he did that, 'things' didn't fall apart, right?

Why, in your opinion, prime Tony cannot do that?

[hater]

But he could 'carry' (your words, not mine) the team in tough playoff stretches and while he did that, 'things' didn't fall apart, right?

yes you got it

Why, in your opinion, prime Tony cannot do that?

because Tony is already carrying the load the other 90% of the time. At some point someone else needs to step up.

[spurraider21]

1 game, yes, maybe 2. I don't think old Timmy can carry us through 1 series thou



I already said our only 2 hopes are Kawhi/Jax to step up. A big IF. and no, for every timely shot Green/Neal provide, they give up an easy basket on the other end.

i never said Tim has to carry us for an entire series. you said "most load carried by parker. in tough stretches someone else other than Parker needs to step up"
Tim can be the "someone else" to carry us through tough stretches, not the entire series. the onus is definitely on TP, but Tim can be the guy that steps up when things aren't going his way

[ElNono]

because Tony is already carrying the load the other 90% of the time. At some point someone else needs to step up.

Why wouldn't prime Tony be able to elevate his game through rough stretches? Isn't that what prime Manu or Duncan did?

Are you saying what we're seeing from Tony is his absolute ceiling and he can't elevate his game an extra notch if needed (like prime Manu or Duncan did)?

I'm trying to understand why 'things can fall apart fast' when Tony in his prime is 'carrying the load' '90% of the time'...

[ElNono]

I would also easily pin 40%+ of the load on Duncan right now... without him there's no anchoring on D, no rebounding, etc...

[hater]

Why wouldn't prime Tony be able to elevate his game through rough stretches? Isn't that what prime Manu or Duncan did?

prime Manu always shared the load with Parker and Duncan. A luxuryParker doesn't have today.

I'm trying to understand why 'things can fall apart fast' when Tony in his prime is 'carrying the load' '90% of the time'...

because things can fall appart that 10% of the time when there's noone to step up

[hater]

again nobody is questioning Duncan or anybody's value to the team. the question is when things start to fall appart, who steps up to right the ship?

[ElNono]

prime Manu always shared the load with Parker and Duncan. A luxuryParker doesn't have today.

You just said prime Manu had an extra gear when things got tough... same for Duncan...

By not including Tony are you saying Tony doesn't have that?

because things can fall appart that 10% of the time when there's noone to step up

I'm sure Duncan can still step up 10% of the time.. He has definitely stepped up more than that this season already...

[ElNono]

again nobody is questioning Duncan or anybody's value to the team. the question is when things start to fall appart, who steps up to right the ship?

by "things start to fall appart" you mean "Tony starts ting the bed"? You can speak freely, no need to sugarcoat it.

[hater]

You just said prime Manu had an extra gear when things got tough... same for Duncan...

By not including Tony are you saying Tony doesn't have that?

Manu had the extra gear because unlike Tony, he didn't have to drive in 6th all the time. Quite honestly if Manu had to carry a team the way Parker does today, dude would have broken even earlier.

I'm sure Duncan can still step up 10% of the time.. He has definitely stepped up more than that this season already...

I hope you are right, but it hasn't happened in the last 3 or 4 years.

[ElNono]

The notion that Parker cannot step up in difficult situations also doesn't jive with his resume. I thought his Finals MVP was well earned, and it came exactly from elevating his game...

[hater]

I just want someone else to say "Tony starts ting the bed" or "he's not as good as prime Manu" so I can get a boner. God knows my wife needs it.

[ElNono]

Manu had the extra gear because unlike Tony, he didn't have to drive in 6th all the time. Quite honestly if Manu had to carry a team the way Parker does today, dude would have broken even earlier.

So your opinion is that Tony doesn't have that extra gear because he's too tired... wouldn't that make *him* broken?

I hope you are right, but it hasn't happened in the last 3 or 4 years.

Would you agree that he has stepped up more than 10% of the time so far?

[ElNono]

Not sure why you need to change my quotes... heck, even your own... a self-described intelligent poster should be able to stand by his own posts...

[hater]

So your opinion is that Tony doesn't have that extra gear because he's too tired... wouldn't that make *him* broken?

not at all

Would you agree that he has stepped up more than 10% of the time so far?

this season yes. But this is regular season. I am talking playoffs. but again, hope you are right and I'm wrong.

[ElNono]

this season yes. But this is regular season. I am talking playoffs. but again, hope you are right and I'm wrong.

So you misspoke when you said Tony carries the load 90% of the time right now. Okay.

So what other theory do you have that makes you still think Tony doesn't have an extra gear?

[hater]

ElNono trolling hard

looks like the latest Manu injury really took a toll

[ElNono]

This isn't about me, it's about the post you made... I can see why you would want to deflect instead of back up that post, though