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Good Deuce. Kobe was the real MVP in 2001. He was only a point off of Shaq's ppg avg, he was the defacto PG who ensured the big dog was fed constantly, and he clearly our best perimeter defender. Talk about triple threat skills.
NBA's Playoff PPG leaders on Championship teams
PPG difference between 1st option and 2nd option since 2000
Playoffs numbers, rebound and assist leaders added
2009 Kobe: + 11.9 ppg [Kobe 30.2 ppg / Pau 18.3 ppg]
Rebound leader: Gasol, Assist leader: Kobe
2011 Dirk: + 10.2 ppg [Dirk 27.7 ppg / Terry 17.5 ppg]
Rebound leader: Chandler, Assist leader: Kidd
2003 Duncan: + 10.0 ppg [Duncan 24.7 ppg / Parker 14.7 ppg]
Rebound leader: Duncan, Assist leader: Duncan
2006 Wade: + 10.0 ppg [Wade 28.4 ppg / Shaq 18.4 ppg]
Rebound leader: Shaq, Assist leader: Wade
2010 Kobe: + 9.6 ppg [Kobe 29.2 ppg / Pau 19.6 ppg]
Rebound leader: Gasol, Assist leader: Kobe
2000 Shaq: + 9.6 ppg [Shaq 30.7 ppg / Kobe 21.1 ppg]
Rebound leader: Shaq, Assist leader: Kobe
2012 Lebron: + 7.5 ppg [Lebron 30.3 ppg / Wade 22.8 ppg]
Rebound leader: Lebron, Assist leader: Lebron
2004 Hamilton: + 5.1 ppg [Hamilton 21.5 ppg / Billups 16.4 ppg]
Rebound leader: B. Wallace, Assist leader: Billups
2005 Duncan: + 2.8 ppg [Duncan 23.6 / Manu 20.8 ppg]
Rebound leader: Duncan, Assist leader: Parker
2002 Shaq: + 1.9 ppg [Shaq 28.5 ppg / Kobe 26.6 ppg]
Rebound leader: Shaq, Assist leader: Kobe
2007 Duncan: + 1.4 ppg [Duncan 22.2 ppg / Parker 20.8 ppg]
Rebound leader: Duncan, Assist leader: Parker
2001 Shaq: + 1.0 ppg [Shaq 30.4 ppg / Kobe 29.4 ppg]
Rebound leader: Shaq, Assist leader: Kobe
2008 KG: + 0.7 ppg [KG 20.4 ppg / Pierce 19.7 ppg]
Rebound leader: KG, Assist leader: Rondo
This gives us a good look at playoff leaders with the use of real stats. 09 Kobe had the biggest difference between his second option in points since 98 MJ. 03 Duncan and 12 Lebron pulled off a run in which they led in all three of the main categories of stats.
Last edited by Deuce Bigalow; 04-04-2013 at 05:31 PM.
Good Deuce. Kobe was the real MVP in 2001. He was only a point off of Shaq's ppg avg, he was the defacto PG who ensured the big dog was fed constantly, and he clearly our best perimeter defender. Talk about triple threat skills.
Lol. Ball hogging to its finest.
Basically, anybody who really knows the game knows that raw stats are crazily misleading.
And typical Kobe fanboi putting stock on scoring.
CROFL. Not that hard to give the ball to Shaq.
You're. He also set up Fish, Horry, and Foxy.
Care to tell me the assist leader on all 5 of the Laker championships? Thanks.
Stepson Marbury and Allen iverson averaged a lot is assists. Your point being?
Shaquille was the clear leader in the three les
One more. Taking assists as raw numbers and ignoring usage rates.
Nice work, Deuce these numbers just as useful as the others ... but I love the mocking of Amb who takes his numbers way to seriously
It's okay, let it all out.
You actually gave props to Duncan for 2003 but he missed that ... was quit big of you Deuce ....aI did the same in the other thread back in 2003 TIm was clearly better than Kobe ...heck I would still gibe him the edge in 2007. But It was close and Kobe has been better every year since and oh, yeah
Boiled down: 5>4
Per game stats aren't real stats, though.
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How so? Please enlighten Numbers on a page same as winshares tbh ...
So, Kobe scored a lot when he had a dominant big man grabbing all the attention and doing all the defense...
ambchang doing some solid work, tbh... pushing the right buttons, getting kobefainboi mad, lamborghini mercy, not quite what she said, etc...
Cant speak for Deuce but Im far from Mad ...Amb just replacing DPG as my huckleberry ... so we dance from time to time
Pau is a superstar and a leader I have seen the light, EL and winshares have led me down the righteous path ...
#WINSHARES
#TeamAMb!!!
Let's actually use a meaningful stat (PER):
Kobe's le runs in which he was the lead dog.
09: Kobe - 26.8/Pau - 21.9 (+4.9)
10: Kobe - 24.7/Pau - 24.0 (+0.7)
Duncan's lead dog le runs:
99: Duncan - 25.1/Robinson - 23.8 (+1.3)
03: Duncan - 28.4/Robinson - 17.7 (+10.7)
05: Duncan - 24.9/Ginobili - 24.8 (+0.1)
07: Duncan - 27.4/Ginobili - 21.9 (+5.5)
Overall, Duncan has maintained a greater average statistical separation from his second option than Kobe did in his two lead dog le runs, meaning Duncan was always more valuable to his team than Kobe was to his.
Quit living in the 90s.
Per game stats tells us Elgin Baylor is a better rebounder than Ben Wallace.
Any metric than doesn't factor in pace is worthless in my book.
Stop it, Mid ...Let's actually use a meaningful stat (PER):
Kobe's le runs in which he was the lead dog.
09: Kobe - 26.8/Pau - 21.9 (+4.9)
10: Kobe - 24.7/Pau - 24.0 (+0.7)
Duncan's lead dog le runs:
99: Duncan - 25.1/Robinson - 23.8 (+1.3)
03: Duncan - 28.4/Robinson - 17.7 (+10.7)
05: Duncan - 24.9/Ginobili - 24.8 (+0.1)
07: Duncan - 27.4/Ginobili - 21.9 (+5.5)
Overall, Duncan has maintained a greater average statistical separation from his second option than Kobe did in his two lead dog le runs, meaning Duncan was always more valuable to his team than Kobe was to his.
Quit living in the 90s.
WINShares are what counts and s on PER
Amb said and so it was written ...
Winshares is actually an advanced stat I'm not fond of, which is why you never see me using it. In my opinion, PER is the best stat we have so far for measuring a player's overall quan ative impact. It's not perfect, of course, but world's better than per game stats.
duece dropping bombs.. this is a great discussion and all, but amb and pulp, remind me again, what does it boil down??
For individual player comparisons?
Finals MVPs.
Duncan: 3
Kirby: 2
Thanks for asking.
You already know what it all boils down to.Let's actually use a meaningful stat (PER):
Kobe's le runs in which he was the lead dog.
09: Kobe - 26.8/Pau - 21.9 (+4.9)
10: Kobe - 24.7/Pau - 24.0 (+0.7)
Duncan's lead dog le runs:
99: Duncan - 25.1/Robinson - 23.8 (+1.3)
03: Duncan - 28.4/Robinson - 17.7 (+10.7)
05: Duncan - 24.9/Ginobili - 24.8 (+0.1)
07: Duncan - 27.4/Ginobili - 21.9 (+5.5)
Overall, Duncan has maintained a greater average statistical separation from his second option than Kobe did in his two lead dog le runs, meaning Duncan was always more valuable to his team than Kobe was to his.
Quit living in the 90s.
Let me ask you, what is a PER? If you don't know what it is in your head then why does your dumbass use it?
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