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    Did it occur to some of you who say that Baynes is not ready or doesn't know the system yet is because he has been shoved behind Bonner and Blair's minutes. Whenever Pop does decide to put him in, he always shows me something good.

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    Look folks I hate to be a Bonner Apologist, but he's not that bad. He's 6'10" Hardly undersized, the problem is he isn't very athletic is lead footed and has a weak bases. He actually has decent handles for a center, and a good shooting stroke, he doesn't make bad decisions often. The problem really lies in that he is a second unit guy/specialist that should have been playing next to a big SF that could bang and an athletic second bigman. His job would be to pull the other teams big out of the paint, and his weaknesses inside where he lacks strength would have been mitigated. The problem was he never really next to a super athletic big, (Duncan isn't bad but isn't a pre-bad back robinson, or howard by any means) Bowen never was the player on offense to use the extra space and RJ is/was passive. Manu did benefit from the extra space. Now put in a slow guy to start with that is now older (he's 33 folks) and he seems really bad. At no time was he ever really supposed to be a starter though the spurs were forced to do that for awhile, and the idea of having him as the primary back-up big next to someone undersized, was never good, and with blair's defensive issues a poor idea became horrid.

    I guess guys I understand that Bonner never accomplished alot here nor was he great in the play-offs but he was also used most of the time as something everyone knew he wasn't including pop and he did everything with-in his power to help the spurs win during those years, just being the primary center/pf sub of a contending team wasn't ever in his power. Being #4/change of pace is/was, however remember he's getting old in NBA terms as well.

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    It appears to me that Pop's strategy is flawed and perhaps even somewhat hypocritical. Pop prioritizes good health and rest over practically everything else. Having the core guys rested and healthy is a sound strategy. At the same time, it does occasionally mean sacrificing some regular season games. If Pop is going to sacrifice some regular season games to make this happen, why not play young and new talent in the process? Insteady, Pop chooses to bury new talent on the bench, at the expense of getting them ready for the playoffs. It's the same strategy he used with George Hill, in his rookie year and Tiago Splitter also in his rookie year. He's now doing the same with Aron Baynes, when it's obvious that Baynes could provide some relief andd contributions which the Turd Towers clearly cannot. Meanwhile, he's given Nando De Colo, in his first year, every opportunity to command and win the backup PG role. That's certainly fine, but why isn't Pop being consistent with his philosophy. It's mind-boggling trying to figure out just what he's doing.

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    On the Baynes topic, he is definitely not ready to be primary big off the bench, especially without having had time to play with Manu (wouldn't have happened this year even if he could have had all of blairs minutes this year.) That said, if Boris isn't right we have allready pointed out that Bonner isn't that guy and Blair is done so throw Baynes into the fire, hope Splitter resigns, Duncan can be at this level next year, Danny and Kahwi both grow at a respectable rate, and we can find a decent Manu replacement, and chalk this year up as injuries, and seasoning for Kawhi, Splitter, Green unless lightening strikes in the play-offs.

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    Eventually the popsuckers and apologists will come to realize and admit Pop ed over the Baynes situation just like he did Splitter and essentially pissed away the last best chance at #5 by being way too conservative and stubborn... might take awhile though.. I'm sure there will be plenty of "patience" preachers in the meantime.
    Baynes = championship

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    I know basketball aint no car an all, but feel yhe similarities! If a mechanic is tryna but the last bolt in a engine to get in running right an he keep using a 1/4 an 1/3 wrench an neither is getting the job done cuz their to small. An he has a tool box with new fresh tools like a 9/16, why not use all your dam tools to get the ing job done. Dont keep your ing customers upset cuz you cant finish the job cuz you keep trying the same small .

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    It appears to me that Pop's strategy is flawed and perhaps even somewhat hypocritical. Pop prioritizes good health and rest over practically everything else. Having the core guys rested and healthy is a sound strategy. At the same time, it does occasionally mean sacrificing some regular season games. If Pop is going to sacrifice some regular season games to make this happen, why not play young and new talent in the process? Insteady, Pop chooses to bury new talent on the bench, at the expense of getting them ready for the playoffs. It's the same strategy he used with George Hill, in his rookie year and Tiago Splitter also in his rookie year. He's now doing the same with Aron Baynes, when it's obvious that Baynes could provide some relief andd contributions which the Turd Towers clearly cannot. Meanwhile, he's given Nando De Colo, in his first year, every opportunity to command and win the backup PG role. That's certainly fine, but why isn't Pop being consistent with his philosophy. It's mind-boggling trying to figure out just what he's doing.
    BINGO!!! Great stuff!!!

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    Baynes = championship


    Can I have some of what you ingested?


    The day these morons admit anything - it will rain pink cotton unicorns - in every part of the planet.

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    Can I have some of what you ingested?


    The day these morons admit anything - it will rain pink cotton unicorns - in every part of the planet.
    How do you know Baynes= championship isn't so!?! But we all do know Bonner an Blair equals up to. So why not try something different this time around.

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    How do you know Baynes= championship isn't so!?! But we all do know Bonner an Blair equals up to. So why not try something different this time around.
    Was referring to the apologists/popsuckers...you got it backwards...

    they know who they are

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    How do you know Baynes= championship isn't so!?!
    SBM is trying to label people.

    It's his thing.

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    Someone else would have grabbed him. At the time we signed him, bigs were falling like King Kong off the Empire State building all over the league. Could you imagine if he was signed by the Lakers? He's worth the buyout. Bigs just are. His time will come. That time will be next year. We are not in desperation mode. We can afford patience. Stay calm...
    I'm not panicking lol. Didnt know bigs were being grabbed the way you claim, though that would explain it. Still, I think he at least should have been given the opportunity to play. At least in limited minutes. For instance, Blair usually gets a DNP, same with bonner. When they do come in, it's for about 5 minute spurts. Baynes could have auditioned for those roles. He has shown in limited minutes he will protect the rim

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    I think we had this argument a few weeks ago. Some of us believe his size alone negates the drawback of the lack of system knowledge.
    Add in the fact that he gives the team alot of needed athleticism also.

    Now consider the fact that Diaw, Blair, & Bonner are all undersized and not defensive stalwarts and the argument for Baynes this season gets even stronger.
    Man From Nazr joined the team with 23 regular season games left in 2005.
    Went on to play all 23 playoff games at 23 minutes per game in a Legit Championship 2005.
    So much for Popsuckers and their **system** excuse.

    We all know that was the end of the Spurs as we knew them as Dipstick and his ruination plan began summer '05.

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    Nazr had been a first round pick and in the NBA like six seasons before joining the Spurs.

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    it. after seeing Bonner and Blair out there in the 1st half. I'm all for playing the goofy whiteboy, or even bring some of the toros. , Bonner/Blair are absolutely ing useless.

    gotttttttadddmmdmdmdmmdmdmdmmd!!!

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    This thread is sbm fabs tj lifeblood
    I keep thinking about blairs situation with the russian team during the lockout.

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    Pop = Overrated. It's pretty easy to make the playoffs each year when you have Tim Duncan, David Robinson and Manu on your team and Parker seemed like a happy accident. There really isn't a player that Pop coached up and made a better player, all our role players are castoffs from teams that didn't have the likes of Duncan, Robinson, Manu or Parker to lead the team and Danny Green didn't even sniff the court when he was in Cleveland.

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    I know I might be blind, but I dont see anything different that the Spurs do that sooo spectacular on defense that makes them stand out from anyone else. Our offense is basic p&r or p&p. I mean with all this Baynes dont know the system stuff is killing me. I could see if we was destroying teams. But we're not! 14 to 0 in the 1st qtr an we still lose. ing sad.

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    Nazr had been a first round pick and in the NBA like six seasons before joining the Spurs.
    Oh right... 1st round pick. Got it. And that just worked out great for him didn't it? Let's not forget he also had a spurs assistant coach teaching him the spurs culture all those years too. Clearly you are right as always.

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    wtf is "Baynesis"

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    Oh right... 1st round pick. Got it. And that just worked out great for him didn't it? Let's not forget he also had a spurs assistant coach teaching him the spurs culture all those years too. Clearly you are right as always.
    Yeah, I'm right that Nazr was a first round pick and played in the NBA for about six seasons.

    What part of that are you disputing?

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    Yeah, I'm right that Nazr was a first round pick and played in the NBA for about six seasons.

    What part of that are you disputing?
    No dispute here. Clearly being a 1st round pick with nba credentials allowed Nazr to pick up the spurs' system as quickly as he did. Baynes couldn't possibly pull that off even with practically double the amount of games. Thanks for setting us straight once again. I don't know what we would do without your superior wisdom in the forum..... :pray:

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    No dispute here. Clearly being a 1st round pick with nba credentials allowed Nazr to pick up the spurs' system as quickly as he did.
    He didn't really pick up the system at all, but he had six seasons of NBA experience. If you don't know what that means, I am not at all surprised. Your problem.

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    You know for all of the talk of 'the system' let me point out...the 'system' is not working at the moment. Pop has contracted his playing group and now they older guys are banged up and hurt. 'The system' cannot cover for this, the last game against denver was a shocker and that used 'the system'.

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    He didn't really pick up the system at all, but he had six seasons of NBA experience. If you don't know what that means, I am not at all surprised. Your problem.
    And Baynes has played professionally for 4 years overseas. Next.

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