Mavs: Why cant the '2nd best PF of all-time' even lead his team to the playoffs ?

[Kidd K]

[ambchang]

Well considering the fact that MJ won 6 in a row when he wasnt playing baseball, Id say thats a terrible comparison. Even if Chandler stayed the likelihood of winning another le much less five more wouldve been pretty low. Especially since it didnt just require ridiculously efficient play Dirk and co. but also the King to choke.

Theyre both better than decent, theyre very good defensive players. I just think youre underselling just how elite Chandler is defensively though.

Not sure why it's a terrible comparison. Jordan's 6 le teams were all built very similarly. Pippen as the 2nd banana, Phil Jackson as coach, defensive/rebounding PF (Grant/Rodman), shooting centers (Longley, Wennington, Perdue), defensive bigs (Cartright/Perdue), shooting PG who do not handle the ball (Armstrong/Kerr/Paxson). The point is, every player requires a certain kind of team built around them (Duncan is very much the exception in the way he could win with a team like 99, 03, and then 05/07, three very different teams).

As for Chandler, he's great. Varajeo is just as great. Camby was not as great, but had as much mobility and defensive presence to cover Dirk's shortcomings on defense.

[ambchang]

To make my stance clear, I don't think Dirk is the #2 PF of all time, and I don't think he is definitively better than Garnett.

However, if I was to build a team, and I have a choice of Dirk and Garnett as my #1 franchise guy, and I cannot flip a coin to decide who to pick, I will pick Dirk, because I feel it is easier to build around Dirk than it is to build around Garnett.

I think the #2 PF of all time is Barkley ... I think ... perhaps.

The only clear ranking of PF is that Duncan is #1.

Dirk/Garnett/Barkley/McHale belongs to the next group.

[irishock]

To make my stance clear, I don't think Dirk is the #2 PF of all time, and I don't think he is definitively better than Garnett.

However, if I was to build a team, and I have a choice of Dirk and Garnett as my #1 franchise guy, and I cannot flip a coin to decide who to pick, I will pick Dirk, because I feel it is easier to build around Dirk than it is to build around Garnett.

I think the #2 PF of all time is Barkley ... I think ... perhaps.

The only clear ranking of PF is that Duncan is #1.

Dirk/Garnett/Barkley/McHale belongs to the next group.

But but but Lakers fans still claim Karl Malone to be the GOAT pf