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    Tonight is a night you really miss a certain player from Argentina

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    Pop gives Leonard and Green the same leeway. Green just gets more open looks and is better at converting them. What is a bigger issue is that Leonard needs to be less inclined to pass the ball when he gets it. I strongly doubt Pop is telling him to do that.
    The player to coach dynamic on the spurs is weird so I don't think he wants to rock the boat with the possibility of getting benched. All he needs to hear from Pop is shoot the shot, don't think just shoot but Pop is inclined to pat Danny and Gary on the back for shooting everything under the sun. Pop has encouraged Neal to be "aggressive" and shoot ty shots.

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    I don't see Leonard staying in San Antonio at this rate.

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    The problem with Leonard is not that his teammates aren't finding him. He gets the ball when it comes to him just like everyone else. It's not his teammates' fault he doesn't get open often.

    Tonight, he had the Lakers' best perimeter defender on him. It just wouldn't have made sense to force the ball to him.

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    Tonight is a night you really miss a certain player from Argentina
    Ditto. And even a guys with balls like Jack, who could rebound the ball.

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    8 pts tonight. Against a horrible D
    give him the ball more instead of neal and he'll prob score more..he's much much more efficient

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    Ditto. And even a guys with balls like Jack, who could rebound the ball.
    Yep

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    The player to coach dynamic on the spurs is weird so I don't think he wants to rock the boat with the possibility of getting benched. All he needs to hear from Pop is shoot the shot, don't think just shoot but Pop is inclined to pat Danny and Gary on the back for shooting everything under the sun. Pop has encouraged Neal to be "aggressive" and shoot ty shots.
    I don't remember ever seeing Pop take Leonard out for taking a bad shot. He HAS done so to both Green and Neal on multiple occasions. There's no evidence that Green has more or a green light than Leonard. Neal does, though, because he's only out there for shooting and he can get his own shot. Gary just doesn't work as a spot-up shooter the way Green does (although Neal isn't working much at all right now).

    Once again, Green gets his shots because he's open. Green is open so much because a) teams are more inclined to leave him than they are Leonard and b) Green works hard to get open. Leonard only ever really tries to get open on cuts to the basket. He doesn't try to give a clear passing lane for the player with the ball.

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    Who was the coach that we had for like 3 or 4 games, when Pop was gone for a bit?

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    i mean look at these skills...the rocker step pull up, baseline pullup, turnaround jumper, scoring on the best defenders out their deng and gibson...give this man the ball more tbh...
    Chinook acutally think green has the same potential as leonard and deserves as much touches

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    Green gets more shots because he's a system player that can't create his own shot and lives off Parker/Duncan, so I don't have a problem with him receiving as many shots as Leonard..

    When Parker isn't on the floor, Leonard should run the offense, tbh..

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    Green gets more shots because he's a system player that can't create his own shot and lives off Parker/Duncan, so I don't have a problem with him receiving as many shots as Leonard..

    When Parker isn't on the floor, Leonard should run the offense, tbh..
    wouldn't be fair to Gary Neal

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    Chinook acutally think green has the same potential as leonard and deserves as much touches
    Never even remotely said they had the same potential. I did say that there's a reason Green takes more shots, and it's because he's much more efficient than Leonard. The stats support that argument. If the Spurs want to win, forcing Leonard to take bad shots isn't the way to go.

    Once again, you seem to not understand that this is basketball and not football. Leonard and Green aren't running backs who get a set number of touches each game. They're in a fluid situation in which their touches are dictated by their ability to get open and their efficiency. Leonard just isn't as good at getting his shots as Green is at getting his. And that's all mental for Leonard. If he forced the issue when his defender is late closing out, he'd get more points. Instead, Leonard becomes passive. That's no one's fault but his own.

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    As I pointed out in a thread the other day, the Spurs rely heavily on Green and Neal's 3-point shooting to win games, which isn't going to work in the playoffs with a limited Parker(or even with a healthy Parker)..

    I'm not a Pop basher like Fabbs and those s btw, but Leonard should be a bigger part of the system, especially with the injuries..

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    Green gets more shots because he's a system player that can't create his own shot and lives off Parker/Duncan, so I don't have a problem with him receiving as many shots as Leonard..

    When Parker isn't on the floor, Leonard should run the offense, tbh..
    I agree. Green's biggest off-season priority needs to be working as much as he can to stop dribbling like a grade-schooler. Right now, though, he needs to take almost every shot he attempts. If he hesitates, it hurts the Spurs' offense. Some people think that Green is just chucking shots like Neal is. If Neal were as efficient as Green, the Spurs would be in much better shape.

    And I'd love to see Leonard run the offense. It would force him to be more aggressive, and it could result in some interesting mismatches. I'd like to see him be both the ball-handler and the roll man on PnRs. Durant and James seem to do that with some success, and I believe Leonard could, too.

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    Pop has never run any play for Bowen.
    He has one alley-oop play for RJ
    Basically the first thing he writes on his board is the number 3 at the corners and then continue to work from there..

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    Ditto. And even a guys with balls like Jack, who could rebound the ball.
    Jax would have been a good matchup for guys like Jamison and Clark. Too often we had Blair on those guys, and he can't do much out on the perimeter

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    Kawhi's role wasn't to blame. He was passive with opportunities in the half court. The much more pressing issues tonight were clearly:
    a) Parker's ineffectiveness. No explosion into the paint, constantly got stripped on the way there, mid range jumper woulnd't fall, and blew some bunnies in the lane
    b) Splitter's offense. His defense on Pau was remarkable, and he rebounded pretty darn well. The issue was missing his shots at the rim he was making in his sleep for a vast majority of the season. Not sure if Dwight was in his head, but he was missing his typical reverse layups, and quite a few of them. In a game that came down to a couple of possessions, his 4+ easy misses were costly.
    c) Lack of playmaking overall. We got very few easy "Spurs" buckets via backdoor cuts, open outside looks. Off-ball movement seemed OK, but the ball handlers were never able to suck the defense in. Parker had nothing going for him, as mentioned, but Nando/CoJo both faceplanted, and I'm not going to be angry at Neal for not being a playmaker. Its not his role on the team. This was a game Boris would have been very useful in, as well as Mr. Ginobili

    kawhi's role is way down the list

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    I can only hope Pop plans to use him more once the playoffs start.

    Otherwise what's the point of using him as such in the summer league and games where the big 3 sat?

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    i'm actually starting to dislike pop now tbh
    Yeah, he doesn't coach to win every game. He has taken ”strategy” to a whole new level, me no likey!

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    Honestly would like to see PnR with Kawhi. Just to see what happens.

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    Everyone is scared to screw up. You screw up once and you hit the bench for the whole 4th quarter.
    Pop has got to losen the reigns, have some trust in his guys.

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    Will almost always stand by pop but I absolutely agree. Kawhi has to be unleashed instead of just a long leash. He's unorthodox but dang his shot goes in

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    Leonard has had plenty of FGAs lately. Obviously he needs as much as possible but tonight specifically I put the blame more on Kawhi than anyone/anything else. I mean, the Lakers switched off point guards on him and he wasn't attacking or going to the low block. Pop shouldn't have to call anything when Blake switches off onto him, tbh.
    Honestly I sat there asking the question, why isn't Leonard playing more aggressively?

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    I think Leonard should be the clear number 3 option at this point. Tim/Tony and Leonard. Manu will get his fair share of touches if and when he comes back. After Manu, the others can have what's left. I have to admit, I'm shocked at how bad we are right now. On paper, Tim, Tony, Leonard, Splitter, and Green are a pretty good 5. Splitter has be underwhelming and now Leonard to some extent. I really want Leonard to start doing more. If he is playing it safe, fine. But we aren't exactly winning right now.....

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