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shut up got
If you have Carmelo Anthony or Russel Westbrook on your ANY of your teams, you are a moron.
1st team
Forward - Lebron
Forward - Durant
Guard - Chris Paul
Guard - James Harden
Center - Tyson Chandler
2nd Team
Forward - Tim Duncan
Forward - Serge Ibaka
Guard - Dwayne Wade
Guard - Stephen Curry
Center - Joakim Noah
3rd Team
Forward - Paul George
Forward - Kenneth ing Faried
Guard - Tony Parker
Guard - Kobe Bryant (regrettably)
Center - Marc Gasol
shut up got
Ibaka, Faried, and George over Carmelo
OP has some of the tiest takes on ST, tbh..
This...OP is one of the worst posters on ST
http://www.thenbageek.com/players/co..._ids%5B%5D=230
Yes.
lol parker in any discussions about any form of awards....
These responses just remind me how truly clueless most clowns on this board are.
Its the "yay points" thesis.
http://wagesofwins.com/the-yay-points-thesis/
It doenst matter if you rebound, shoot ty etc. Most people are too ing clueless (as evidenced by the responses above) to realize that shooting the ball a lot doesnt win basketball games.
lol can't even get your stats right
lol mixed up george hill with paul george
lol got
or perhaps its the fact that Ibaka and Faried are like 4th and 5th options on their team, while Carmelo is the indisputed leader. Ibaka and Faried basically play clean-up ball both defensively and offensively, and are relied on to do nothing but hustle, and hit wide open jumpers/dunks. Big whoop.
Carmelo has to go to battle against the best defenders of every team, every game. He is counted on to manufacture offense for himself and his teammates, and constantly battle double and even triple teams in the paint while creating offense. I'd say his job is much tougher.
http://www.thenbageek.com/players/co..._ids%5B%5D=113
Better? Same result. Carmelo sucks.
And that explains why he shoots so poorly yet Durant, Lebron etc. are asked to play the same role and even same position yet they both do it so much better Carmelo doesnt even deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence:
http://www.thenbageek.com/players/co..._ids%5B%5D=163
Whatever "role" carmelo has, he doesnt do it well.
Compare that to Faried who shoots a better percentage, pulls down TWICE as many rebounds, more blocks steals etc. Same with Ibaka. You say "big whoop" yet NO ONE else in the league is able to duplicate what they do (same with Tyson Chandler). They play their roles very, VERY well whereas Carmelo does not.
I doubt you have the brain cells to comprehend this but Ill post it anyway:
http://www.thenbageek.com/articles/a-low-usage-myth
When you compare Carmelo to both Lebron and Durant, you really see how ing clueless most people are.
Take a category Durant isnt "great" at. Say..assist to turnover raito. He's not "good/great", but hes a uva lot better than Carmelo Anthony (who is basically good at N-O-T-H-I-N-G except putting up shot attempts):
http://www.thenbageek.com/players/co..._ids%5B%5D=163
Wins Produced is one of the most flawed advanced stats you'll find, tbh..
I'm a big advanced stats guy and I've been using them here for years, but I hate advanced stat advocates that overrate players like Faried, tbh..Chandler is a great player too, but guys that can't create their own offense don't belong on all-NBA teams, unless they're providing elite defense and elite rebounding(like a Ben Wallace), which Chandler has not done this year, not to mention Faried, a mediocre defensive player..
Another clueless idiot:
I'm a big advanced stats guy and I've been using them here for years, but I hate advanced stat advocates that overrate players like Faried, tbh..Chandler is a great player too, but guys that can't create their own offense don't belong on all-NBA teams, unless they're providing elite defense and elite rebounding(like a Ben Wallace), which Chandler has not done this year, not to mention Faried, a mediocre defensive player..
http://www.thenbageek.com/players/521-kenneth-faried
Kenneth Faried is an elite rebounder unless you dont count "rebounds".
If hes not "All-NBA", then show me another player who can do what he does.
btw - You appear to not know the difference between the wages of wins formula versus "wins produced" used by basketball-reference.com so your opinion on this particular advanced stat means very little.
Tyson Chandler's offensive rating is elite this year, yet the Knicks offense hasn't lost anything in his absence..
Tyson Chandler is the defensive anchor on the 17th ranked defensive team in the league, and his defensive metrics don't even approach last year's impact..Knicks fans have complained about him for most of this season, tbh..
The Knicks have won 11 of the last 13 games that Chandler has missed, despite having Kenyon Martin and Chris Copeland as their replacement Cs, guys that are 6'9
Also, I said both elite defender and elite rebounder, like a Ben Wallace..Faried is a mediocre defender that can't create a shot for himself, there's absolutely no logical all-NBA argument for a player that can't get stops and can't create his own shot
Lebron is in a class of his own, and might be the greatest basketball player ever when its all said and done.
Durant works heavily off of screens and transition buckets.
Carmelo mostly works out of isolations.
Granted, he may not be the most efficient scorer, mainly because his shot selection is bad, but still doesn't detract from his amazing scoring ability, especially in the clutch.
Tyson Chandler's offensive rating is elite this year, yet the Knicks offense hasn't lost anything in his absence..
Tyson Chandler is the defensive anchor on the 17th ranked defensive team in the league, and his defensive metrics don't even approach last year's impact..Knicks fans have complained about him for most of this season, tbh..
The Knicks have won 11 of the last 13 games that Chandler has missed, despite having Kenyon Martin and Chris Copeland as their replacement Cs, guys that are 6'9
If you take a basic "design of experiments" course, you learn about randomization, blocking of factors and statistical noise.
You just tried to make sense of statistical noise. You didnt block for opponent, location, what other teammates were injured/not-playing etc.
Thats the typical "lazy" analysis I normally see from the likes of DuncanOwnsKobe. Using the team's win/loss record when a player was out or playing to determine his value. I tried to explain it to him but he didnt understand either.
For those that aren't familiar with Wages of Wins, they had an article last month claiming the Lakers role players had a bigger role than Shaq and Kobe in 2001
Most advanced stats people think Wages of Wins is garbage, look it up for yourself, tbh..
WoW numbers are known for overvaluing shooting efficiency and rebounding, too..
Nonsense.
It doesnt matter where Carmelo works out of. The fact is that he doesnt put in the basket any better than the average small forward in the league. If hes so good, why is he so AVERAGE?
And if working of screens is "easier", then why doesnt he work off screens? The truth is running around screens all game is physically exhausting and he'd rather not do it because hes a lazy player.
Its this laziness that leads to his poor rebounding and passing numbers as well.
Not true:For those that aren't familiar with Wages of Wins, they had an article last month claiming the Lakers role players had a bigger role than Shaq and Kobe in 2001
Most advanced stats people think Wages of Wins is garbage, look it up for yourself, tbh..
WoW numbers are known for overvaluing shooting efficiency and rebounding, too..
http://www.thenbageek.com/teams/lal?season=2000
Shaq and Kobe are numbers 1 & 2, respectively.
I dont know what article you are referring to.
They (Shaq and Kobe) were numbers 1 & 2 the following year as well:
http://www.thenbageek.com/teams/lal?season=2001
And the year after that (though Kobe surpassed Shaq that year):
http://www.thenbageek.com/teams/lal?season=2002
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