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Quick, which one on that list is the only HOFer to EVER lose to an 8th seed?
You got it, KAJ.
He only won 2 Finals MVP over 6 les. I used to think he is #1 of all time, but I am starting to second guess that. Missing playoffs in his prime, only 2 for 6 for the Finals MVP. I mean, when he was in his prime, he was pretty much unstoppable, but dude really just hung on too long, should have retired mid 80s or something.
Just in case you are wondering, the other top 9
MJ - 6 for 6
Magic - 3 for 5
Bird - 2 for 3
Duncan - 3 for 4
Shaq - 3 for 4
Hakeem - 2 for 2
Moses - 1 for 1
Russell - N/A
Chamberlain - 1 for 1 (didn't have the FMVP during his first championship)
What the l, I will throw in an extra:
Lebron James - 1 for 1
Quick, which one on that list is the only HOFer to EVER lose to an 8th seed?
Kobe: 5
the tired old bag Duncan: 4
Let us proceed...
Bob Parish workin over Kareem in '84.
Would have in '85 too but he got sucker punched/backstabbed by that pussy Mitch Cupcake.
Rendered Bob 60% so Kream had a chance.
Duncan! Do I get an award?Quick, which one on that list is the only HOFer to EVER lose to an 8th seed?
Is it a better season to get the top seed and lose to the 8th seed in your age 34 season or miss the playoffs when in your prime?Quick, which one on that list is the only HOFer to EVER lose to an 8th seed?
None. I believeQuick, which one on that list is the only HOFer to EVER lose to an 8th seed?
Dat loss bringing out the best (worst) in the most salty of Spur fans...
Having Steve Blake, Steve BLAKE I SAID!!! go ham on Parker does that to Spur fan ...
Before I answer that, let's revisit history, shall we?
Spurs:
1987-1988: 28-54 (tank season for the Admiral. Due to Navy commitments, couldn't play just yet)
1988-1989: 21-61 (tanked again - probably for good draft picks. Smart GM tbh.
1989-1990: 56-26 (amazing how that happened! Just so happened to be Admiral's rookie season)
1990-1996: made the playoffs every year with varied results (no rangs though)
1996-1997: 20-62 (tank job. No ifs ands or buts about it. Earned the #1 pick that turned into TD)
1997-2013: 14 consecutive seasons of 50+ wins (nice job)
Lakers:
2003-2004: 56-26 (loaded roster, lost Finals, The Big Eviction!)
2004-2005: 34-48 (tanked for Bynum. No ifs ands or buts about it)
Then in 2006, Kobe had to roll with the likes of the below. And
Lamar Odom (weedhead, inconsistent at best, didn't thrive until Pau arrived)
Kwame Brown
Smush Parker
Luke Walton
Chucky Atkins
Brian Cook
Von Wafer
Laron Profit
Devin Green
Jim Jackson (13th year-TOSB)
Bynum (R - PJ doesn't play rooks)
^Other than Bynum and Odumb, which one of these players is either a scrub on someone's bench right now, or even in the league anymore?
So you see, we took a page out of the Spurs' playbook. Tank to get a good draft pick. So yes, I disagree with the bolded. Kobe had no control over a tank job, so it shouldn't be held against him.
Before I answer that, let's revisit history, shall we?
Spurs:
1987-1988: 28-54 (tank season for the Admiral. Due to Navy commitments, couldn't play just yet)
1988-1989: 21-61 (tanked again - probably for good draft picks. Smart GM tbh.
1989-1990: 56-26 (amazing how that happened! Just so happened to be Admiral's rookie season)
1990-1996: made the playoffs every year with varied results (no rangs though)
1996-1997: 20-62 (tank job. No ifs ands or buts about it. Earned the #1 pick that turned into TD)
1997-2013: 14 consecutive seasons of 50+ wins (nice job
Lakers:
2003-2004: 56-26 (loaded roster, lost Finals, The Big Eviction!)
2004-2005: 34-48 (tanked for Bynum. No ifs ands or buts about it)
Then in 2006, Kobe had to roll with the likes of the below. And
Lamar Odom (weedhead, inconsistent at best, didn't thrive until Pau arrived)
Kwame Brown
Smush Parker
Luke Walton
Chucky Atkins
Brian Cook
Von Wafer
Laron Profit
Devin Green
Jim Jackson (13th year-TOSB)
Bynum (R - PJ doesn't play rooks)
^Other than Bynum and Odumb, which one of these players is either a scrub on someone's bench right now, or even in the league anymore?
So you see, we took a page out of the Spurs' playbook. Tank to get a good draft pick. So yes, I disagree with the bolded. Kobe had no control over a tank job, so it shouldn't be held against him.insinuating the Lakers tanked to get the oh so coveted #10 overall pick
Lkrfan...I need you or Whitemamba to do me a favor....In your spare time..please spread the word at LG and beyond...hopefully through a ground swell of support this will reach Kobe and his doctor..perhaps he goes to Germany to get some stem cells injected or some sort of blood enrichment procedure to aid in a miraculous healing...Quick, which one on that list is the only HOFer to EVER lose to an 8th seed?
Injecting Bone Marrow Stem Cells help Repair Achilles Tendon Rupturehttp://www.regenexx.com/2010/12/inje...endon-rupture/
Interesting animal model of tendon healing using stem cell injections to help repair Achilles tendon injuries. The Achilles tendon is the large tendon in the back of the ankle, just above the heel. It’s also known as the “heel cord”. It’s the connection between the strong calf muscles and the heel, allowing forceful push off of the foot while walking and running. An Achilles tendon rupture is the most common injury of a tendon. It occurs more commonly in men and is usually seen in younger athletes or middle aged recreational athletes. In addition, the Quinolone family of antibiotics such as Cipro and Levaquin have recently been shown to be a cause of Achilles tendon ruptures. While this problem is commonly treated with surgery, the most modern randomized trials have showed no benefit to surgery. This is important, as Achilles tendon rupture surgery involves extensive downtime and surgical repairs have a high failure rate. To avoid Achilles tendon surgery, the above study sought to determine if the same type of stem cell mix used in Regenexx-SD might help Achilles tendon tears heal. It compared the injection of a bone marrow stem cell mix to cultured mesenchymal stem cells. What was interesting was that the Regenexx-SD type stem cell injection treatment into the Achilles tendon produced better results than the cultured cells. The authors thought this may have been due to the release of certain healing chemicals from the whole cell mix of the Regenexx-SD type therapy (which contains other stem cell types and other cells involved in tendon healing).
The failure of the cultured stem cells in this animal model may have been due to issues that we’ve observed in other research studies. One thing we’ve noticed is that to get enough cells to create a single treatment, it’s common for researchers to pool the cells of several subjects. In addition, the appearance of the stem cells used in these studies often shows that the cultured cells have been grown for too long a time and are under severe stress (not healthy). This may explain why the cultured cells didn’t work as well as fresh cells from a stem cell concentrate. However, the fact that this study confirms an animal model of tendon healing is consistent with results we’ve observed when we inject the stem cells obtained with the Regenexx-SD and Regenexx-C procedures into tendon tears. In addition, any injection based treatment for tendon tears will be significantly less traumatic and usually have a much shorter recovery time than any open surgical treatment.
If the Lakers tanked to get Bynum then they don't deserve to be a franchise tbh. Seriously, you're comparing tanking for the Admiral and Duncan for Bynum? Get the outta here!!!!Lakers:
2003-2004: 56-26 (loaded roster, lost Finals, The Big Eviction!)
2004-2005: 34-48 (tanked for Bynum. No ifs ands or buts about it)
So you see, we took a page out of the Spurs' playbook. Tank to get a good draft pick. So yes, I disagree with the bolded. Kobe had no control over a tank job, so it shouldn't be held against him.
Then tell me which HoF in that list lost to an 8th seed. Quick.
It is tough to swallow, a Lakers team with that imposing frontline can and did beat the Spurs with a backcourt player like Steve Blake.
The Lakers frontline is really difficult to deal with, as is the case since 2007.
Why would coach Kobe allow the Lakers to tank, I thought he is such a warrior that he won't let his team loseBefore I answer that, let's revisit history, shall we?
Spurs:
1987-1988: 28-54 (tank season for the Admiral. Due to Navy commitments, couldn't play just yet)
1988-1989: 21-61 (tanked again - probably for good draft picks. Smart GM tbh.
1989-1990: 56-26 (amazing how that happened! Just so happened to be Admiral's rookie season)
1990-1996: made the playoffs every year with varied results (no rangs though)
1996-1997: 20-62 (tank job. No ifs ands or buts about it. Earned the #1 pick that turned into TD)
1997-2013: 14 consecutive seasons of 50+ wins (nice job
Lakers:
2003-2004: 56-26 (loaded roster, lost Finals, The Big Eviction!)
2004-2005: 34-48 (tanked for Bynum. No ifs ands or buts about it)
Then in 2006, Kobe had to roll with the likes of the below. And
Lamar Odom (weedhead, inconsistent at best, didn't thrive until Pau arrived)
Kwame Brown
Smush Parker
Luke Walton
Chucky Atkins
Brian Cook
Von Wafer
Laron Profit
Devin Green
Jim Jackson (13th year-TOSB)
Bynum (R - PJ doesn't play rooks)
^Other than Bynum and Odumb, which one of these players is either a scrub on someone's bench right now, or even in the league anymore?
So you see, we took a page out of the Spurs' playbook. Tank to get a good draft pick. So yes, I disagree with the bolded. Kobe had no control over a tank job, so it shouldn't be held against him.
Coach Kobe unable to handle his team
Can't make the playoffs without one of the greatest coach in the history of the league
But let's look at Pau Gasol. In 2005, aka the year the Lakers missed the playoffs for the coveted #10 pick in a relatively weak draft (Chris Paul and Fat boy Williams turned out to be the only players who are worth a tank job for), Gasol played in 53 games, and still led a supporting cast of:
Shane Battier (role player who was never meant to be a scoring option)
Mike Miller (Worst ROY of all time)
Bonzi Wells (Volatile, time bomb)
Jason Williams (Overrated because he is white and have a playground game)
Stromille Swift (Runs like a deer, jumps like a deer, thinks like a deer)
Lorenzo Wright (A blob of wasted potential)
Brian Cardinal (Predecessor of Bonner and Scalabrine)
James Posey (All dirty defense, no offense)
Earl Watson (One of the rare NBA players who are shorter than me)
Dahntay Jones
And people blame mighty Pau for losing to a stacked Suns team
YOur player recaps are funny. But again you revise history when it suits you. Battier although no star was one of the best defenders in the NBA and a very good starter. He is Robert Horry lite, less clutch ... but probably a better defender especially at THAT time. Posey is another plus defender along with Earl Watson (at that time) and Dantay Jones. They had a smart coach (Fratello IIRC) and focused on defense with PAu leading the offense.Why would coach Kobe allow the Lakers to tank, I thought he is such a warrior that he won't let his team lose
Coach Kobe unable to handle his team
Can't make the playoffs without one of the greatest coach in the history of the league
But let's look at Pau Gasol. In 2005, aka the year the Lakers missed the playoffs for the coveted #10 pick in a relatively weak draft (Chris Paul and Fat boy Williams turned out to be the only players who are worth a tank job for), Gasol played in 53 games, and still led a supporting cast of:
Shane Battier (role player who was never meant to be a scoring option)
Mike Miller (Worst ROY of all time)
Bonzi Wells (Volatile, time bomb)
Jason Williams (Overrated because he is white and have a playground game)
Stromille Swift (Runs like a deer, jumps like a deer, thinks like a deer)
Lorenzo Wright (A blob of wasted potential)
Brian Cardinal (Predecessor of Bonner and Scalabrine)
James Posey (All dirty defense, no offense)
Earl Watson (One of the rare NBA players who are shorter than me)
Dahntay Jones
And people blame mighty Pau for losing to a stacked Suns team
No one is saying Those Grizz should beat any of the teams they faced in that era ...but to ask them them to win ONE game ONE GAME against those "stacked" Suns (with the supposed Leader of the 2009-2010 Championship team on their squad is a low bar). Especially when the Lakers with Smush, Kwame, Mihm and Walton (led by Kobe) were able to do so.
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It really was quite a stretch run Kobe led that 2004-05 team on,...with him healthy and in the lineup they won 2 or their last 20: http://www.basketball-reference.com/.../gamelog/2005/
What's the difference between winning one game and winning multiple games in a series then losing?
Also, a playoff team with only one scoring option is inherently flawed. No one player can score with an entire team's defense around him, except Jordan. To top it off, those guys aren't even defty and quick 3 pt shooters, like the 94 and 95 Rockets had, these are average scorers and great defenders.
I also do not understand the need for Kobe fans to treat like Odom never existed from 05 to 07. He is the centerpiece from Miami in the Shaq trade. Obviously, the guy isn't HoF big good like Shaq or Pau, but he was a very good player. It's like Spurs fans saying that Duncan was able to win the championship in 03 despite having guys like Mengke Bateer, Steve Smith and Devin Brown, and ignoring David Robinson, Stephen Jackson, and Kerr and Claxton.
You don't understand why Kobe fans try to diminish his supporting cast as much as possible
It's the same reason why they try to glorify the supporting cast Lebron had in Cleveland
Speaking of the cast in Cleveland, the only decent players were Varejao and Ilgauskas, and Varejao wasn't as good as he is now, while Ilgauskas moves like he is in zero gravity all the time. All the others are pretty bad.
Gooden is like a more ball hog version of Jameson
Hughes is a homeless man in Mumbai version of Kobe
Marshall is soft as marshmellows
Pavlovic is Cleveland's answer to Vujacic (btw, isn't Sasha a girl's name?)
Eric Snow used to be good in 01, but by 07, he was a s of his former self, and it ain't much of a s
Shannon Brown, the same guy who played with Kobe
Ira Newble, another guy who played with Kobe
Damon Jones, a guy who had FG% that looks like 3PT%
Boobie Gibson, a guy named after the most famous female part, who somehow managed to be an up and coming star playing with the King.
This times in ingfinity.
That Suns team minus Amare was anything but "stacked." Not one of those players went on to do anything notable after they left D'Antoni's system, which even made scrubs into 15ppg scorers. Not even Marion excelled outside the system. He floundered in Miami, seeing a .75 drop in FG% his first year there and never averaged more than 15 ppg again. Yeah, he won a championship in Dallas, but as a Horry-type role player, playing tough defense, grabbing boards, and making hustle plays. Even prime Marion wasn't as good as Lamar Odom.
The support casts outside of the team's respective superstars were about even, with the Suns being slightly better. That's why it was a 7 game series. Not because Kobe "willed" it.
A thread I made this awhile ago:You don't understand why Kobe fans try to diminish his supporting cast as much as possible
It's the same reason why they try to glorify the supporting cast Lebron had in Cleveland
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