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    more specifically, a white American man

    http://www.salon.com/2013/04/16/lets...hite_american/


    This is one of the stupidest things I've ever read



    As we now move into the official Political Aftermath period of the Boston bombing — the period that will determine the long-term legislative fallout of the atrocity — the dynamics of privilege will undoubtedly influence the nation’s collective reaction to the attacks. That’s because privilege tends to determine: 1) which groups are — and are not — collectively denigrated or targeted for the unlawful actions of individuals; and 2) how big and politically game-changing the overall reaction ends up being.

    This has been most obvious in the context of recent mass shootings. In those awful episodes, a religious or ethnic minority group lacking such privilege would likely be collectively slandered and/or targeted with surveillance or profiling (or worse) if some of its individuals comprised most of the mass shooters. However, white male privilege means white men are not collectively denigrated/targeted for those shootings — even though most come at the hands of white dudes.

    Likewise, in the context of terrorist attacks, such privilege means white non-Islamic terrorists are typically portrayed not as representative of whole groups or ideologies, but as “lone wolf” threats to be dealt with as isolated law enforcement matters. Meanwhile, non-white or developing-world terrorism suspects are often reflexively portrayed as representative of larger conspiracies, ideologies and religions that must be dealt with as systemic threats — the kind potentially requiring everything from law enforcement action to military operations to civil liberties legislation to foreign policy shifts.

    “White privilege is knowing that even if the bomber turns out to be white, no one will call for your group to be profiled as terrorists as a result, subjected to special screening or threatened with deportation,” writes author Tim Wise. “White privilege is knowing that if this bomber turns out to be white, the United States government will not bomb whatever corn field or mountain town or stale suburb from which said bomber came, just to ensure that others like him or her don’t get any ideas. And if he turns out to be a member of the Irish Republican Army we won’t bomb Dublin. And if he’s an Italian-American Catholic we won’t bomb the Vatican.”


    Because of these undeniable and pervasive double standards, the specific iden y of the Boston Marathon bomber (or bombers) is not some minor detail — it will almost certainly dictate what kind of governmental, political and societal response we see in the coming weeks. That means regardless of your particular party affiliation, if you care about everything from stopping war to reducing the defense budget to protecting civil liberties to passing immigration reform, you should hope the bomber was a white domestic terrorist. Why? Because only in that case will privilege work to prevent the Boston attack from potentially undermining progress on those other issues.

    To know that’s true is to simply consider how America reacts to different kinds of terrorism.

    Though FBI data show fewer terrorist plots involving Muslims than terrorist plots involving non-Muslims, America has mobilized a full-on war effort exclusively against the prospect of Islamic terrorism. Indeed, the moniker “War on Terrorism” has come to specifically mean “War on Islamic Terrorism,” involving everything from new laws like the Patriot Act, to a new torture regime, to new federal agencies like the Transportation Security Administration and Department of Homeland Security, to wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to mass surveillance of Muslim communities.

    By contrast, even though America has seen a consistent barrage of attacks from domestic non-Islamic terrorists, the privilege and double standards baked into our national security ideologies means those attacks have resulted in no systemic action of the scope marshaled against foreign terrorists. In fact, it has been quite the opposite — according to Darryl Johnson, the senior domestic terrorism analyst at the Department of Homeland Security, the conservative movement backlash to merely reporting the rising threat of such domestic terrorism resulted in DHS seriously curtailing its initiatives against that particular threat. (Irony alert: When it comes specifically to fighting white non-Muslim domestic terrorists, the right seems to now support the very doctrine it criticized Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry for articulating — the doctrine that sees fighting terrorism as primarily “an intelligence-gathering, law-enforcement, public-diplomacy effort” and not something more systemic.)

    Enter the Boston bombing. Coming at the very moment the U.S. government is planning to withdraw from Afghanistan, considering cuts to the Pentagon budget, discussing civil liberties principles and debating landmark immigration legislation, the attack could easily become the fulcrum of all of those contentious policy debates — that is, depending on the demographic profile of the assailant.

    If recent history is any guide, if the bomber ends up being a white anti-government extremist, white privilege will likely mean the attack is portrayed as just an isolated incident — one that has no bearing on any larger policy debates. Put another way, white privilege will work to not only insulate whites from collective blame, but also to insulate the political debate from any fallout from the attack.

    It will probably be much different if the bomber ends up being a Muslim and/or a foreigner from the developing world. As we know from our own history, when those kind of individuals break laws in such a high-profile way, America often cites them as both proof that entire demographic groups must be targeted, and that therefore a more systemic response is warranted. At that point, it’s easy to imagine conservatives citing Boston as a reason to block immigration reform defense spending cuts and the Afghan War withdrawal and to further expand surveillance and other encroachments on civil liberties.

    If that sounds hard to believe, just look at yesterday’s comments by right-wing radio host Laura Ingraham, whose talking points often become Republican Party doctrine. Though authorities haven’t even identified a suspect in the Boston attack, she (like other conservatives) seems to already assume the assailant is foreign, and is consequently citing the attack as rationale to slam the immigration reform bill.

    The same Laura Ingraham, of course, was one of the leading voices criticizing the Department of Homeland Security for daring to even report on right-wing domestic terrorism. In that sense, she perfectly embodies the double standard that, more than anything, will determine the long-term political impact of the Boston bombing.


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    if it's a white bubba rabid with anti-govt hate rabble, he'll be a loner, an outlier, unrelated to the Repug/VRWC/hate-media spewing govt hate and rabble rousing non stop for decades, and urelated to 100s of white racist/supremacist groups.

    "He's an American, it's ok, all is forgiven. just a good ol' boy hating govt like all of us have been programmed to do"

    if it's a Muslim, then it's necessarily a plugged-in member of the world-wide, coordinated, Muslim jihad that will reqire CIA to drone to death 1000s more innocents, and BigMedia, corporations, CIA, NSA, FBI, and the police state rape deeper Americans' privacy.

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    who do you hope did it, darrin?

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    who do you hope did it, darrin?

    I just hope they find whoever did it.

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    good answer.

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    Darrin was disappointed that the Saudi was cleared.

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    Probably a young black guy with baggy pants wearing a hoodie.

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    No Rush to Judgment in Boston

    The U.S. news media appears to have learned some painful lessons from past experiences about jumping to conclusions after terrorist incidents, and most pundits as well as journalists demonstrated more professional restraint in their coverage of the Boston Marathon bombing on Monday, the Patriots Day holiday in Massachusetts.

    While there was speculation about a possible attack by Middle East terrorists, spurred by the questioning of a Saudi national, there were also timely observations about the significance of the date for American right-wing extremists.



    Shortly after two bombs exploded near the finish line of the Boston Marathon on April 15, 2013, people help remove the injured from the scene. (Photo credit: Aaron “tango” Tang via Wikipedia)

    Not only is April 15 known as Tax Day because of the federal filing deadline,

    but Patriots Day in Massachusetts honors the Minutemen who battled the British on April 19, 1775, the start of the Revolutionary War. Some right-wing extremists have hijacked such patriotic symbolism to justify violent attacks on the federal government.

    Timothy McVeigh’s bombing of the federal building in Oklahoma City was on April 19, 1995, which also was the second anniversary of the fiery conclusion of the Waco siege which began 50 days earlier when a heavily armed Christian sect engaged in a deadly shootout with federal agents arriving to serve a warrant to search for illegal guns.

    Given the intense passions about gun control and the other significance of Patriots Day, the hesitancy to immediately blame “Muslim terrorists” represented an improvement over the recklessness that was common at such moments, especially in the 1990s when some “terrorism experts” regularly pointed their fingers in the wrong directions.

    In flipping the channels on Monday evening and Tuesday morning, I did encounter some silly chatter criticizing President Barack Obama for not immediately condemning the twin bombings in Boston as “terrorism.” Obama apparently was being cir spect in his brief speech to the nation on Monday evening and did not want to enflame the situation with speculation.

    The definition of terrorism is a violent act directed against civilians to achieve a political goal. While the Boston bombing was clearly a violent attack on civilians, it wasn’t immediately clear what the motivation was since no individual or group had credibly claimed responsibility for the attack.


    In the absence of known motivation, one could not rule out the possibility of a single perpetrator acting out of personal rage or simply insanity, which might fall outside the rubric of terrorism. So, Obama’s caution appeared well-placed, since a presidential declaration prejudging some act as terrorism could have legal ramifications.

    The pundit chatter over his choice of words, therefore, represented an example of a contrived “controversy,” sadly the sort of silliness that the news media seemed to be avoiding with its more careful handling of the tragedy in Boston.

    http://consortiumnews.com/2013/04/16...ent-in-boston/

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    Darrin was disappointed that the Saudi was cleared.
    Nope, just wouldn't be surprised if perp was Muslim.

    Also wouldn't be surprised if it's just some right-wing (or left-wing) wacko.

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    more specifically, a white American man

    http://www.salon.com/2013/04/16/lets...hite_american/

    This is one of the stupidest things I've ever read

    What exactly do you disagree with? Seems like you're just reacting to the headline.

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    What exactly do you disagree with? Seems like you're just reacting to the headline.

    I disagree that our response to 9/11 was because the perps were non-white and Muslim. I think it has more to do with precedent, the scale of the attack, and the large size of the organization.

    In constrast, the attacks by groups like ELF are usally small in scale and they have a small membership.


    Do you these FBI's most wanted terrorists are on this list because of the color of their skin?

    http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/wanted_ter...-group-listing

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    I think Darrin has a valid point. OP is 5 gallons of stupid in a 3 gallon bucket.

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    There's not enough internet to list the asinine logic fail of:
    “White privilege is knowing that even if the bomber turns out to be white, no one will call for your group to be profiled as terrorists as a result, subjected to special screening or threatened with deportation,” writes author Tim Wise. “White privilege is knowing that if this bomber turns out to be white, the United States government will not bomb whatever corn field or mountain town or stale suburb from which said bomber came, just to ensure that others like him or her don’t get any ideas. And if he turns out to be a member of the Irish Republican Army we won’t bomb Dublin. And if he’s an Italian-American Catholic we won’t bomb the Vatican.”"

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    "the United States government will not bomb whatever corn field or mountain town or stale suburb from which said bomber came, just to ensure that others like him or her don’t get any ideas. And if he turns out to be a member of the Irish Republican Army we won’t bomb Dublin. And if he’s an Italian-American Catholic we won’t bomb the Vatican."


    All true. What's the problem?

    white power, aka "The Man", and white privilege are indisputable.

    Because America is becoming less Euro-American, and more Hispanic and Asian, the bubba whities are freaking out, paranoid marans, esp the high school grads and dropouts who are getting beat out and left out by the educated non-EA's taking the few good jobs.



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    ruh-roh

    CNN Correspondent John King, a Boston native, said authorities have a clear video image of a “dark-skinned male” placing a bag at the second bomb site outside of the Forum restaurant on Boylston Street and then leaving the area before that explosion.

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    well they have someone in custody now

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    og course he is dark skinned

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    og course he is dark skinned
    Yep, in my search for a name, all I find is "no name released so far" and "dark skinned suspect."

    This Caucasian must have a real good tan.

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    "the United States government will not bomb whatever corn field or mountain town or stale suburb from which said bomber came, just to ensure that others like him or her don’t get any ideas. And if he turns out to be a member of the Irish Republican Army we won’t bomb Dublin. And if he’s an Italian-American Catholic we won’t bomb the Vatican."


    All true. What's the problem?

    white power, aka "The Man", and white privilege are indisputable.

    Because America is becoming less Euro-American, and more Hispanic and Asian, the bubba whities are freaking out, paranoid marans, esp the high school grads and dropouts who are getting beat out and left out by the educated non-EA's taking the few good jobs.


    The problem is it's ing re ed. Which is, of course, draws you to it like files on .

    Nevermind the conflation of bombing a foreign target vs a domestic target. Nevermind you can't tie the ridiculous meme "white privilege" to the actions of the bombing. Nevermind the rest of your scared less schtick.

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    lol boutons
    lol simpleton

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    you can't tie the ridiculous meme "white privilege"

    nearly all of the bubba militia assholes are anti-govt, even "sovereign" WHITE supremacists

    OKC bombing was white guys, attacking the govt.



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    Why is identifying someone as a "dark-skinned male" controversial?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3102195.html


    When did we become this damned politically correct?


    CNN's John King caused some controversy on Wednesday when he said that a potential suspect in the Boston bombings was a "dark-skinned male."

    King was the first to report that law enforcement officials had identified a suspect in Monday's bloody attacks.

    "I want to be very careful about this, because people get very sensitive when you say these things," he said. "I was told by one of these sources who is a law enforcement official that this is a dark-skinned male."

    He said that there had been a further description given, but he was refraining from sharing it with viewers.

    "There are some people who will take offense for even saying that," he said. "I understand that."

    "We can't say whether the person spoke with a foreign accent, or an American accent?" Wolf Blitzer asked. "That would be premature."

    King repeated that he was only going to use the "dark-skinned male" description, saying that sometimes information did not turn out to be true.

    "I'm making a personal judgment—forgive me, I think it's the right judgment—not to try to inflame tensions," King said. "They say it's a dark-skinned male."

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    you can't tie the ridiculous meme "white privilege"

    nearly all of the bubba militia assholes are anti-govt, even "sovereign" WHITE supremacists

    OKC bombing was white guys, attacking the govt.


    And this has exactly, what to do with the Boston bombing?

    Nothing. ing re .

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    Why is identifying someone as a "dark-skinned male" controversial?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3102195.html


    When did we become this damned politically correct?
    Considering the anti-Muslim hysteria after the OKC bombing coupled with the lunacy of the NY Post coverage, it seems that some cir spection is in order.

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    Why is identifying someone as a "dark-skinned male" controversial?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3102195.html


    When did we become this damned politically correct?
    I'd say it was when innocent people started getting gunned down because they were mistakenly associated with Muslim terrorists, you idiot.

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