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    They knew better. NRA done told 'em they'd target each one and throw their in' ass out.

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    I'm in Denver now, and it's so ing cold and there's a blizzard going on, no one is going to be shooting up a theater tonight, but if they did they wouldn't hit anyone.
    Yeah. I'm in CO Springs and this weather is eff'ed up!

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    So, when I claimed that 40% of guns were sold without a background check, you rebutted that citing numbers that were closer to 20% of guns being sold without a background check. The bill that was voted down today excluded private transfers for family and friends, so at best, it would have increased background checks by, what 15%? This 15% increase in background checks is somehow logistically unattainable? Sorry, I'm not buying that without some more concrete empirical evidence. The burden of proof for this is on DMC/CC who glommed onto the claim without any supporting information.
    So this 15% increase will stop how many murders? what percent?

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    Agree with the OP. I don't particularly agree with most gun control measures, but I don't think mandatory background checks are actually that.

    I also don't buy the 'manpower' argument. If there's anything LE has been doing is keeping up with technology. A lot of those checks will probably clear with just an automated process that verifies certain databases. It's only the corner cases that would require extra intervention.

    Also, snc, if it stops one crazy mofo from getting a gun, and saves at least one life, it's worth it, IMO. I personally don't look at this as an overall crime-reduction tactic, I see it more towards addressing things like convicted stalkers, who are not career criminals, but that might be unstable enough to go shoot somebody.

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    Yeah. I'm in CO Springs and this weather is eff'ed up!
    I miss Global warming.

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    Agree with the OP. I don't particularly agree with most gun control measures, but I don't think mandatory background checks are actually that.

    I also don't buy the 'manpower' argument. If there's anything LE has been doing is keeping up with technology. A lot of those checks will probably clear with just an automated process that verifies certain databases. It's only the corner cases that would require extra intervention.

    Also, snc, if it stops one crazy mofo from getting a gun, and saves at least one life, it's worth it, IMO. I personally don't look at this as an overall crime-reduction tactic, I see it more towards addressing things like convicted stalkers, who are not career criminals, but that might be unstable enough to go shoot somebody.
    background check ain't gonna work the way you desired imho. it would be something like the drug test on foodstamp recipients, where only a small portion of them got busted as smokers. it saved some money from drug users but operating such tests will cost even more taxpayer money in the end.

    and it's never gonna be easy to identify any potential perverts by reading what they think imho. the biggest challenge is that you never know what other people think. one may appear to be a kind person while being a pervert internally (like someone who's also posting in this thread)

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    Agree with the OP. I don't particularly agree with most gun control measures, but I don't think mandatory background checks are actually that.

    I also don't buy the 'manpower' argument. If there's anything LE has been doing is keeping up with technology. A lot of those checks will probably clear with just an automated process that verifies certain databases. It's only the corner cases that would require extra intervention.

    Also, snc, if it stops one crazy mofo from getting a gun, and saves at least one life, it's worth it, IMO. I personally don't look at this as an overall crime-reduction tactic, I see it more towards addressing things like convicted stalkers, who are not career criminals, but that might be unstable enough to go shoot somebody.
    After what happened to those poor parents in Sandy Hook it is right thing to do.

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    It was DOA in the House anyway. This way though it's a repudiation of that creep in the White House. He had this comin.

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    So this 15% increase will stop how many murders? what percent?
    We aren't debating the efficacy of the background check. Typical of the cold dead hands crew, DMC threw out some bull talking point Wayne LaPierre blew in his face while CC and TSA whooped and hollered on the sideline. Show me how increased background checks are going to require hundreds of additional personnel to enforce. I'm just asking for people to back up their claims.

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    America's gun culture is a disgrace.

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    After what happened to those poor parents in Sandy Hook it is right thing to do.
    the state power that protects children from firearms protects the parents too; the sentimental emphasis on parents is noted.

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    We aren't debating the efficacy of the background check. Typical of the cold dead hands crew, DMC threw out some bull talking point Wayne LaPierre blew in his face while CC and TSA whooped and hollered on the sideline. Show me how increased background checks are going to require hundreds of additional personnel to enforce. I'm just asking for people to back up their claims.
    I don't know and I think a background check if streamlined without much red tape is a pretty common sense idea. My main problem with it is their grouping veterans with PTSD as being not allowed to have them. Until they make a point to protect veterans with PTSD from the DOJ and even DOD.

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    America's gun culture is a disgrace.
    Poor sport?

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    sorry.

    I invoke the slippery slope argument. Just stop this before it starts. We have enough gun laws.

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    After what happened to those poor parents in Sandy Hook it is right thing to do.


    Background checks wouldn't have stopped Sandy Hook.

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    sorry.

    I invoke the slippery slope argument. Just stop this before it starts. We have enough gun laws.
    ??? You were in here yesterday bragging about the complete lack of gun laws in Texas. And this measure, was in essence, closing a loophole to an existing federal law.

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    ??? You were in here yesterday bragging about the complete lack of gun laws in Texas. And this measure, was in essence, closing a loophole to an existing federal law.
    And that's exactly the way it should stay.

    Loophole? Bull .

    You ing idiots seem to forget that criminals are criminals because they break the law. They will always get their guns one way or another. Background checks/data bases are the slippery slope to gun registration.

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    I see no inconsistency, TP

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    waving your hands about national gun registry is essentially Cruz v Schumer, chopped and screwed.

    meme du jour, tbh. tripped over that once or twice on my way to coffee.

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    And that's exactly the way it should stay.

    Loophole? Bull .

    You ing idiots seem to forget that criminals are criminals because they break the law. They will always get their guns one way or another. Background checks/data bases are the slippery slope to gun registration.
    So then we don't need background checks at all? Criminals are going to get the guns anyway...

    Registration for fully auto weapons has been required for ages. Has the government come to pry them from your cold dead hand yet? You rednecks clinging to your guns and religion are amusing.

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    So then we don't need background checks at all? Criminals are going to get the guns anyway...

    Registration for fully auto weapons has been required for ages. Has the government come to pry them from your cold dead hand yet? You rednecks clinging to your guns and religion are amusing.
    you girly men are amusing

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    you girly men are amusing
    Schwartzenegger. Cool.

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    Background checks wouldn't have stopped Sandy Hook.
    No but I bet it could of stopped at least 50% of guns crimes comitted in this country.

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    Background checks wouldn't have stopped Sandy Hook.
    Btw I own a guy and have no problems with abackground check? Why do you have a issue with it?

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    No but I bet it could of stopped at least 50% of guns crimes comitted in this country.
    That is a flat out re ed assumption.

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