Looks like Reid doesn't have the votes...

[CosmicCowboy]

You don't call flying those dead kids parents around the country on Air Force One and sticking microphones in their faces and asking them about their dead babies and what they thought about guns wasn't fervent? I thought I was being generous.

OK, I won't sugarcoat it.

Obama is a callous, media whoring asshole.

[TSA]

My only dog in this hunt is my dislike for special interest groups dictating policy against what appears to be the will of the people. And when I see people like CC, who claim to be rational and pragmatic, cheering this type of stuff on, it's a little perplexing.

Our government is ed as all decisions are ultimately made with special interest groups in mind. But I blame the background checks failing more on Obama than the NRA. Obama made a knee jerk reaction after sandy hook that scared waaaaaaaay too many gun owners with all the talk of bans and restrictions. That backfired big time as seen in the failure of this bill and the rush to buy more guns. If the pussy would have played it cool I don't see how the background check measure would have failed. He riled up too many people, and the people's reps spoke.

[DMC]

While they may not prosecute them, they also don't sell them the the gun they were attempting to purchase.

While at the gun show...

jesus you folks are dense

[spursncowboys]

Can you explain whats wrong with the polls that show support is at 90% instead of just saying the number is bull ?

Probably the fact that nothing in america is 90%. 80% of people atleast believe that while 10% responded with "what" and the last 10% said "get the F*** away from me, I don't want to take a survey!"

[TSA]

While at the gun show...

jesus you folks are dense

Wonder if anyone can find a stat of crimes committed with guns acquired at a gun show with no background check. I'm guessing the percentage is around .05%

[FuzzyLumpkins]

They sure looked blue on the map after the election.

If you mean "voted Obama over Romney" then I agree. Then you look at the make up of their legislatures and electoral history and it paints a completely different picture. But hey they didn't like Romney so they must be flaming liberals. :

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Wonder if anyone can find a stat of crimes committed with guns acquired at a gun show with no background check. I'm guessing the percentage is around .05%

Have you met WC? It's like you are channeling him.

[Thread]

The NRA delivered this. They kicked that hump's ass all over DC.

Wiped the in' floor with his ass.

[TSA]

Have you met WC? It's like you are channeling him.

off and leave the country already. It's a legitimate question considering the small percentage of guns sold at shows without background checks.

[Wild Cobra]

off and leave the country already. It's a legitimate question considering the small percentage of guns sold at shows without background checks.

He's just a troll. It sure would be nice if the forum owner banned trolls.

[TSA]

He's no troll, he's just a pompous hypocritical .

[Wild Cobra]

He's no troll, he's just a pompous hypocritical .

I'd say the presumptive re is both.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

See, TSA, your post was like the siren's song for dumbasses. Lo and behold: the dimwit!

[boutons_deux]

NRA spends record money on lobbying this year

As gun control debates raged in Congress early this year, the National Rifle Association increased its federal government lobbying expenditures to record levels, new filings with the U.S. Senate indicates.

The NRA and affiliated National Rifle Association of America Ins ute for Legislative Action together spent at least $800,000 lobbying the federal government during the year's first quarter — more money than they've together spent during the same time period from any past year, according to federal records available Saturday afternoon.

Such aggressive advocacy preceded a major legislative victory Wednesday for gun advocates, as the U.S. Senate defeated a proposal to expand gun background checks.

And it came as gun control advocates — from President Barack Obama and New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg to former Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and the families of children killed last year in Newtown, Conn. — pressured lawmakers to pass laws restricting firearm purchases and useage.

The NRA groups' first-quarter lobbying expenditures have ben steadily increasing in recent years, but never cracked the $700,000 mark.

During the first three months of 2012, they spent $695,000. That follows $675,000 in 2011 and $615,000 in 2010.

This year, the NRA's lobbying efforts were exclusively directed at the House and Senate, according to federal disclosures, and it lobbied on numerous U.S. House and U.S. Senate bills proposed by federal legislators.

Among them:

• H.R. 751, the Protect America's Schools Act of 2013
• H.R. 274, the Mental Health First Act of 2013
• H.R. 329, the Strengthening Background Checks Act of 2013
• H.R. 575, the the Second Amendment Protection Act of 2013
• S. 54, the Stop Illegal Trafficking in Firearms Act of 2013
• S. 374, the Fix Gun Checks Act of 2013
• S. 146, the School and Campus Safety Enhancements Act of 2013
• S. 174, the Ammunition Background Check Act of 2013
• S. 480, the NICS Reporting Improvement Act of 2013
• H.R. 138 and S. 33, the Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device Act
• H.R. 142 and S. 35, the Stop Online Ammunition Sales Act of 2013
• H.R. 437 and S. 150, the Assault Weapons Ban of 2013

The NRA itself spent $700,000 lobbying the federal government during the year's first quarter, federal records show. Wayne LaPierre, the NRA's chief executive, was among 12 in-house NRA officials to lobby during the year's first three months.

Several contract lobbying firms, including Crossroads Strategies, Prime Policy Group, FTI Government Affairs and Shockey Scofield Solutions, combined to spend at least another $100,000 lobbying on behalf of the NRA or National Rifle Association of America Ins ute for Legislative Action from January through March.

Companies, unions and special interest groups that lobby the federal government have until Monday to submit mandatory first quarter lobbying disclosure reports to Congress.

The NRA and affiliate spent nearly $3 million on federal-level lobbying in 2012 — more than it has during any previous year, according to data maintained by the Center for Responsive Politics.

But NRA spending during this year's first quarter puts it on pace to exceed that mark.


http://www.publicintegrity.org/2013/...est+Stories%29

[boutons_deux]

The Fight Over Gun Control Has Revealed America's New Civil War




The deeper message here is that rural, older, white America occupies one land; younger, urban, increasingly non-white America lives in another.

the spinelessness of the four Senate Democrats who voted against the measure (Mark Begich, Max Baucus, Mark Pryor, and Heidi Heitkamp),

Begich, Baucus, Pryor, and Heitkamp may be Democrats but they’re also from rural, older, white America. That land has disproportionate political power in the Senate, and a gerrymandered House — which may not bode well for immigration reform over the next few months, and suggests continuing battles over “state’s rights” to determine who can marry and when human life begins.

Over time, though, older, rural, white America is losing ground to a nation becoming ever younger, more urban, and increasingly non-white — a fact that threatens the former so much that it’s in full backlash against the forces of change.


http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-pol...-new-civil-war

[Thread]

The Fight Over Gun Control Has Revealed America's New Civil War





The deeper message here is that rural, older, white America occupies one land; younger, urban, increasingly non-white America lives in another.

the spinelessness of the four Senate Democrats who voted against the measure (Mark Begich, Max Baucus, Mark Pryor, and Heidi Heitkamp),

Begich, Baucus, Pryor, and Heitkamp may be Democrats but they’re also from rural, older, white America. That land has disproportionate political power in the Senate, and a gerrymandered House — which may not bode well for immigration reform over the next few months, and suggests continuing battles over “state’s rights” to determine who can marry and when human life begins.

Over time, though, older, rural, white America is losing ground to a nation becoming ever younger, more urban, and increasingly non-white — a fact that threatens the former so much that it’s in full backlash against the forces of change.

True. And we remain::: "...the greatest people who has trod this earth."

[Thread]

NRA spends record money on lobbying this year


As gun control debates raged in Congress early this year, the National Rifle Association increased its federal government lobbying expenditures to record levels, new filings with the U.S. Senate indicates.

The NRA and affiliated National Rifle Association of America Ins ute for Legislative Action together spent at least $800,000 lobbying the federal government during the year's first quarter — more money than they've together spent during the same time period from any past year, according to federal records available Saturday afternoon.

Such aggressive advocacy preceded a major legislative victory Wednesday for gun advocates, as the U.S. Senate defeated a proposal to expand gun background checks.

And it came as gun control advocates — from President Barack Obama and New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg to former Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and the families of children killed last year in Newtown, Conn. — pressured lawmakers to pass laws restricting firearm purchases and useage.

The NRA groups' first-quarter lobbying expenditures have ben steadily increasing in recent years, but never cracked the $700,000 mark.

During the first three months of 2012, they spent $695,000. That follows $675,000 in 2011 and $615,000 in 2010.

This year, the NRA's lobbying efforts were exclusively directed at the House and Senate, according to federal disclosures, and it lobbied on numerous U.S. House and U.S. Senate bills proposed by federal legislators.

Among them:

• H.R. 751, the Protect America's Schools Act of 2013
• H.R. 274, the Mental Health First Act of 2013
• H.R. 329, the Strengthening Background Checks Act of 2013
• H.R. 575, the the Second Amendment Protection Act of 2013
• S. 54, the Stop Illegal Trafficking in Firearms Act of 2013
• S. 374, the Fix Gun Checks Act of 2013
• S. 146, the School and Campus Safety Enhancements Act of 2013
• S. 174, the Ammunition Background Check Act of 2013
• S. 480, the NICS Reporting Improvement Act of 2013
• H.R. 138 and S. 33, the Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device Act
• H.R. 142 and S. 35, the Stop Online Ammunition Sales Act of 2013
• H.R. 437 and S. 150, the Assault Weapons Ban of 2013

The NRA itself spent $700,000 lobbying the federal government during the year's first quarter, federal records show. Wayne LaPierre, the NRA's chief executive, was among 12 in-house NRA officials to lobby during the year's first three months.

Several contract lobbying firms, including Crossroads Strategies, Prime Policy Group, FTI Government Affairs and Shockey Scofield Solutions, combined to spend at least another $100,000 lobbying on behalf of the NRA or National Rifle Association of America Ins ute for Legislative Action from January through March.

Companies, unions and special interest groups that lobby the federal government have until Monday to submit mandatory first quarter lobbying disclosure reports to Congress.

The NRA and affiliate spent nearly $3 million on federal-level lobbying in 2012 — more than it has during any previous year, according to data maintained by the Center for Responsive Politics.

But NRA spending during this year's first quarter puts it on pace to exceed that mark.


http://www.publicintegrity.org/2013/...est+Stories%29

You didn't get the gun shows & subsequent gun registry. Hussein Obama shoulda moved when those Hook children we're still warm on the hoof. That extra 30 days saved us.

Next time, come hard, else stay on the porch with Dukakis, Hillary Clinton and AlGore.

[boutons_deux]

Like Repugs, right-wingers, and bubba rabble rousing in general, NRA must lie, because it has not case

NRA Misrepresents Police Survey, Legislation

On the day the Senate voted down a series of gun control bills, the National Rifle Association made false and misleading claims in opposing a measure to expand background checks.

• Online ads from the NRA wrongly claimed that “80% of police say background checks will have no effect” on violent crime. The survey cited in the ads by the NRA says nothing of the sort.
• Before and after the vote, the NRA said the measure “would have criminalized certain private transfers of firearms” and required “lifelong friends, neighbors and some family members to get federal government permission” to exchange guns. The measure didn’t expand background checks to such private transfers. It applied to sales by unlicensed individuals at gun shows and on the Internet.

http://factcheck.org/2013/04/nra-mis...y-legislation/

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...

[boutons_deux]

The Power of False Narratives

Over the past several decades, the American Right has invested heavily in media outlets and think tanks with the goal of imposing right-wing historical narratives on the nation. That investment has now paved the way for defeat of modest gun-control legislation in the U.S. Senate.

Because of this well-financed right-wing propaganda, millions of Americans have been convinced that the Framers of the U.S. Cons ution wanted individual Americans armed to the teeth so they could kill policemen, soldiers and other government representatives. Thus any restriction on gun ownership, no matter how sensible, is deemed as going against the nation’s Founding Fathers.




President George Washington pictured leading state and federal troops against the Whiskey
Rebellion in western Pennsylvania in 1794.


The fact that the key Framers, such as James Madison and George Washington, actually believed that the people would be protected against tyranny through a representative Republic operating within the rule of law and the checks and balances of a Cons ution has been lost amid the Right’s propaganda and paranoia.

Madison only grudgingly agreed to incorporate a Bill of Rights at all as a deal to secure the necessary votes for the Cons ution’s ratification, with the Second Amendment essentially a concession to the states which wanted to protect their right to maintain citizen militias.

At the time, the right to bear arms within the context of “a well-regulated Militia” was not understood as a “libertarian” right to have an unregulated arsenal in your basement or the right to stride into public gatherings with a semi-automatic assault rifle with a 100-bullet magazine over your shoulder. In 1789, when Congress approved the Second Amendment, muskets were single-shot devices requiring time-consuming reloading.
And, as the Second Amendment explains, its purpose was to maintain “the security of a free State,” not to undermine that security with mass killings of civilians or insurrections against the elected government representing “We the People of the United States.” Under the Cons ution, such insurrections were defined as “treason.”

But the Right has successfully abridged the Second Amendment as it is now understood by many ill-informed Americans. The 12-word preamble – explaining the point of the amendment – gets lopped off and only the last 14 words are left as the unofficially revised amendment.

So, when the likes of Tea Party favorite Sen. Ted Cruz lectures fellow senators on the Second Amendment, he doesn’t include the preamble, “A well-regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State.” He only reads the rest: “the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.” Nor do the Tea Partiers note that to Madison and the Framers the term “bear Arms” meant to participate in a militia, not to have as many guns as you want.
The real history has gotten lost in a swamp of false narrative, the sort of ideological deceptions that have come to dominate the current American political scene and have given us an Orwellian present in which he “who controls the past” really does “control the future.”

http://consortiumnews.com/2013/04/18...se-narratives/

LIES LIES LIES to prop the guns-and-ammo industry's profits.

NRA is SOFT ON CRIME

[TSA]

Do you get a kickback for every article you link?