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By that time, B-29 attacks had decimated Japan and using the bombs was insurance on keeping Japan for ourselves. Stalin was already mobilizing to "aid" us... we didn't want to share Japan with the USSR. WW2 and cold war overlap the way I see it.
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By that time, B-29 attacks had decimated Japan and using the bombs was insurance on keeping Japan for ourselves. Stalin was already mobilizing to "aid" us... we didn't want to share Japan with the USSR. WW2 and cold war overlap the way I see it.
On one hand, lots of innocent civilians died. On the other hand, Godzilla. Fair trade.
So you agree. Japan had not stopped fighting us.
Koolaid_Stout with the in/out, philosophical and moral conundrum game.
If their army was decimated, then what was there to attack with?
Really? what about the rest of their military?
Link please.
japs had violated countless international conventions & protocols in china and other occupied countries though. mother ers attacked pearl harbor w/o declaration of war and americans had to make them pay for their mistakes. americans suffered heavy casualities fighting over those pacific islands and it was estimated that hundreds of thousands of more american soldiers would lose their lives before they could hit tokyo. atom bombs indeed saved MANY american lives and that's all i ing care about tbh.
The bomb was a political move. The firebombing stats before Hiroshima and Nagasaki are telling. Consider the state of the axis at the time too.
You can google for arguments against the nukes...
This seems to be the reason we all recite when trying to justify the bombs, but it's bull . Drop the first bomb in a remote vicinity if you want to compare size. Hiroshima was overkill and the second was mindless. The casualties are largely innocent people and the cities had little to no strategic value.
Terrorism by governments is fine if it's to terrorize the other country's military. It's not for civilians though. The US hasn't set out to terrorize civilians.
Do you think there were no civies killed in the Pearl Harbor attacks? There were almost 70 civilians killed in that attack. The response doesn't need to be equal, it should be greater to end the fight and it was. Anyhow it seems there were plenty japs left to reproduce. They haven't ed with us since.
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I have wondered about this a lot. I agree that the dropping of the atomic bombs were very close to a 'necessary evil', but I don't think the same of the Dresden bombing. Japan was nowhere close to military surrender when the bombs were dropped.
The Dresden bombings seemed to be some sort of "watch how bad I can make this", and Germany was manifestly at the end of its military rope. And the German people and the German military all knew it.
Before the atom bombs were dropped in Japan, there was no particular notion that Japan was anywhere close to military surrender. The war was expected to last until at least 1947, and military planners (who had no idea that there was such a thing as an atomic bomb) were planning for a long and highly costly (in terms of military and civilian deaths) invasion that was projected to have well over a million casualties, probably on each side. One of the reasons that the bombs prompted the surrender was because the success of the bombs brought the USSR into the war against Japan in China. It was the requirement of a second front and a war with Russia that had as much or more to do with the realization of military uselessness on the part of the Japanese Emperor as did the damage by the atomic bombs.
And there was an attempted coup the night before the surrender in which some elements of the Japanese Military tried to take over the government and destroy the recording of the Emperor commanding his people to surrender.
There is some bad history being promulgated on this forum regarding Japan's behavior during the Second World War. And some bad history about the U.S.'s response as well.
All that notwithstanding, Dresden was essentially the forerunner for the relentless firebombing of Japanese cities even before the atomic bombs were dropped.
The firebombings of Japanese cities by Curtis LeMay and his group frankly did actually more damage than the atomic bombs did. Part of all of these bombing decisions was a function of the relatively new "Air Forces" trying to convince the political powers that they could end the war by themselves.
^^^^That is perhaps the same rationale that they were trying to use in Dresden. I don't know. But I know that they knew that there were a lot of refugees there, and little to no military value.
Sort of like Coventry in England.
Yes, I know, it is still controversial today. The fact is, Japan kept on fighting until after the second nuke. Can you dispute that?
I see you have no link showing their military was decimated.
This is still my favorite oneSA210 scared of me....he start talking and he knows Imma hit him with this:
Imma go video game mode on his ass
It was an act of vengeance. & has cut down admirably on the Sunday morning wake up calls going forward.
nukes are overrated. IMO they a new beginning for peeps. we need more nukes launched and fired. like a flower blossoming one day after another. it's really not a big deal IMO
Just don't do it on white people. We were judicious in '45 sparing the God fearing Germans. But, the Germans didn't wake us up 7 o'clock in the gd morning raisin' all sorts of . Yellow people did. Truman didn't have a problem with that decision, eh?
tee, hee.
white ppl need to burn in the nuclear fire. otherwise it's a waste of nuke IMO
& the Soviets swore up & down they was going to do exactly that...started by packin' their up in Cuba and ended by selling the same yellow made worthless over the counter that we do.
and white ppl need to burn in the nuclear fire otherwise its a waste of radioactive material IMO
I had forgotten about Coventry. No wonder Churchill was so adamant about bombing Dresden
Yup. 1941 was a pretty big "we dun ed up" year by the Axis Powers. The Nips woke a sleeping giant and Hitler overextended himself by invading Russia.
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