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I appreciate you tossing up these ethical/moral soft balls. Fun.
If you didn't just quote that part I gave examples of what that belief stems from.
I'm not saying the bible/Qu'ran/whatever directly encourages narcissistic behavior, I'm saying religion leads to it, regardless of what the actual beliefs of the religion are. Believing that the rapture is coming during your lifetime epitomizes narcissism.
I appreciate you tossing up these ethical/moral soft balls. Fun.
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If you consciously believe in something as a fallback, you're just trying to fool yourself. You don't believe.
You guys need a minute to straighten this out?
If you are going to apply the Judeo-Christian development timeline to Islam, they still have a few years to work on it.The Islamic requirements for salvation haven't changed."Christians: At least we're not Muslims."As backwards and archaic as Christianity sounds, to even the most diehard atheist, Islam is like a more violent, more brutal, bas ized version of it. That's what really gets me, because you get some of the most liberal atheists who hate Christianity but go out and pimp Islamic faith. Maybe one day they change their basic belief system (mulligan if you will), but until then it is what it is.
No problem. Christianity is, and has always been, an easy target.I appreciate you tossing up these ethical/moral soft balls. Fun.
Which was the perfect way to do it.
As was all that genocide.
Perfect, godly genocide.
middle east is a complete cluster because of radical islam as well as prior cold war politics. one could argue it was all aggravated by the latter.
this is something that has been prominent throughout history...
see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Game.
it makes me wonder what would have happened if alexander the great didnt die? would the middle east have been the world's first superpower in enistic fashion? that would have been a sight to behold...
Pascal's wager has had countless holes poked in its logic. If I choose monotheism, what if the Greeks were right and I should have been a polytheist who worships countless gods? Should I wear magic garments to hedge my bets just in case the mormons are right? Should I make my wife cover all of her skin when she's in public just in case the Muslims are right? There are countless religions and beliefs as to what happens after death. The only reason I'd feel choosing one religion is an effective way to hedge my bets is if I was programmed to subconsciously practice that particular religion, like Pascal was with Christianity.
Honest question for you, if when you were a child your parents read the story of Jonah and the Whale to you as a fairytale and your pastor read the story of Jack and the Bean Stalk as gospel, would you honestly know the difference?
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Churches and believers continue to evolve. I attended a fundamentalist christian church as a kid in the 80s, and yes, the church isolated itself from the world. Scarred me for a while, but people evolve and my experience with organized worship for the past 10 years is major outreach, charity and kindness. Of course, people are not perfect.
It was referred to as a "business plan." I'm not sure how you can take any responses to that as an indictment on the consistency of our ongoing discussion.
If you are going to apply the Judeo-Christian development timeline to Islam, they still have a few years to work on it."Christians: At least we're not Muslims."
Maybe they still have a "few years to work on it." In the meantime, people are having their legs blown off with ball bearings.
If he were still alive, I would strongly consider calling him God.
If there was a belief system out there that wasn't completely full of , I might hedge my bets on it.
Let me know if you find one please.
other than the fact he claimed divinity....you know what the i meant.
not sure I understand your question but let me give it a try. I'm atheist / materialist, I don't believe in god, I don't believe in soul, I don't believe anything supra natural. why an atheist / materialist would need a fallback option ? For me there is no after. no need for system to hedge my bets.
On a side note I consider atheism, materialism as a belief not more valuable than the other options, it is just mine. I respect people who believe in something if it helps them to live.
Also violence is not the consequence of a religion, religion is a conductor of that violence. Violent people or society would have been violent with or without religion interference. Hate, economic interests, frustration... are the motor of violence not the religion.
Not sure when I became JaG? A sacrifice has always been required.
Agreed, they went from hating black people to hating gay people to hating rape victims, just in the last 50 years. The persecution of non-Christians is a constantly evolving process.
Yeah, I referred to it as a business plan. Religion is by its very nature inconsistent. I don't mind it.
Eh, Christians are still genociding too. There are varying degrees of politics involved, but no religion has the market on violence cornered. I'll agree one of the main problems with Islam is that it has explicit political tenets; Christians should take note when they are tempted to indulge their theocratic tendencies.Maybe they still have a "few years to work on it." In the meantime, people are having their legs blown off with ball bearings.
Of course you could choose wrong. But the point is that you've at least chosen something. You say you weren't "programmed" so you chose Nothing. Other's were "programmed" so they choose their god. How are you any different?
If Jack and the Beanstalk was in the Bible, then a Christian should believe it. That's the whole basis for Salvation through faith. There are far crazier things in the Bible than Jack and the Beanstalk.
Atheists are also dependent upon faith. They believe in what cannot be proved.
You didn't; that's why I said "you guys."And always perfect.A sacrifice has always been required.
Until it wasn't.
Or is the genocide still perfect?
How do you know?
I do. It's difficult to see things being much different from the way they played out. I mean it's possible he could have had a solid successor and held the empire together for awhile, but it was really too far flung and the Greeks ultimately weren't interested in the kind of synthesis of cultures Alexander was pimping.
not always.
Why aren't we there in the "after" already?
What's the logic of creating a "before"?
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