Lakers: Don't Blame Pau

[DMC]

Yep this is true well at least once ... I attended Game 3 of that sweep and I saw Phil poking Pau in his ches,t not Achilles ... bedsides Mavs sweep cant recall another sweep since the Pau trade tbh ...
The rumors about some relationship drama affecting Pau's mental state were all over L.A. ...

But ya can't have it both ways. Either Pau is the reason the Lakers win/lose or he's not. When Pau is on, Lakers win b2b. When he's not, Lakers get swept. Kobe was there the whole time.

[Killakobe81]

But ya can't have it both ways. Either Pau is the reason the Lakers win/lose or he's not. When Pau is on, Lakers win b2b. When he's not, Lakers get swept. Kobe was there the whole time.

Wait, what? Of course Pau is a big part of why they win or lose I never said he wasn't. Part of th reason this place was upset at that trade was because we had a mid tier #1 ...in the #2 role THAT was what made it a great trade. Not questioning Pau's value when it is placed properly in context.. YOu guys here overrrate him (some LG fans did too before the past 2 seasons fans there argued Love for Pau was not enough) based on past performance and Kobe hate ...

But agian if he is a HOF and as good as you Amb and others say he is just win one game as the #1 ...heck right now he is still#2 ...just ONE GAME. Not a series, A GAME. (in my Iverson voice)

[Killakobe81]

But ya can't have it both ways. Either Pau is the reason the Lakers win/lose or he's not. When Pau is on, Lakers win b2b. When he's not, Lakers get swept. Kobe was there the whole time.

Oh and they did not get swept lasy year and he was ineffective just the same ...

[ambchang]

How about players that lead a team to backtoback Finals over a player that cant lead ants to a picnic?
Not saying series is over I EXPECT at least ONE WIN ...
IF I dont get that then I have issues with not only Pau but also Dwight. In fact since he claims to be our leader now my main issue is with Dwight. But, Pau was able to help us win les as Achilles #2 now he is #2 to Howard and he is getting the ball movement some of you (and Pau) say a Achilles led offense lacks, so lets see what Pau can do ...

Correction, three straight finals, not b2b. Pau is da man, just an unbelievable talent able to haul a very good SG to b2b championships and three straight finals. Just a very well-rounded game.

If Pau works off the low post like he's supposed to, the Spurs are screwed. The only thing holding the Lakers back right now is three first names, and outside distractions.

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I'm sorry but Kool is right on the 0-13.

You don't have to be sorry. This is Pau's mistake. Not your's, or Kool's.

Kool was just checkin' assholes.

[ambchang]

KK81, see, you get the all wrong. I am not saying Pau is this transcendental superstar who would will his teams to championships like a Jordan, Shaq, Hakeem or Duncan. He obviously needs help.

Having the best 2nd banana in league history was important.
Having one of the best coaches in league history was obviously important.
Having a versatile SF/PF hybrid who can handle the ball, shoot from outside, and is a general nightmare matchup for any other team was important.
Having a steady hand in Fisher was important.
Having good perimeter defenders in MWP/Artest/Ariza was important.

That's why nobody will ever call Pau a top 10 player, or even top 20, because he needed all this help.

Also, he had quite a few failures when he did NOT have all this help, and it counts as well.

Was Pau great? Depends on how you define great. I tend to think he is. He led his team to two les. He led the Spanish team to unexpected success. But he is most definitely not one of the best ever.

You have to give credit where credit is due, 16/16/6 games with a perimeter that bad is a good game, if not great. There are no two ways about it.

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But ya can't have it both ways. Either Pau is the reason the Lakers win/lose or he's not. When Pau is on, Lakers win b2b. When he's not, Lakers get swept. Kobe was there the whole time.

Pau never won a single playoff game till Kobe him in.

[Brunodf]

How about players that lead a team to backtoback Finals over a player that cant lead ants to a picnic? ...

Gasol is the man, lead his team to 3 straight finals

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Gasol is the man, lead his team to 3 straight finals

Pau couldn't win a single playoff game till Kobe took him in.

[jbspurs]

Do you think Artest can bully Leonard inside the paint?

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Do you think Artest can bully Leonard inside the paint?

If he could bully Pierce 23 feet from the rim, anything is possible.

[Killakobe81]

Correction, three straight finals, not b2b. Pau is da man, just an unbelievable talent able to haul a very good SG to b2b championships and three straight finals. Just a very well-rounded game.

If Pau works off the low post like he's supposed to, the Spurs are screwed. The only thing holding the Lakers back right now is three first names, and outside distractions.

I wont even respond to such ridiculous drivel ...

[Killakobe81]

KK81, see, you get the all wrong. I am not saying Pau is this transcendental superstar who would will his teams to championships like a Jordan, Shaq, Hakeem or Duncan. He obviously needs help.

Having the best 2nd banana in league history was important.
Having one of the best coaches in league history was obviously important.
Having a versatile SF/PF hybrid who can handle the ball, shoot from outside, and is a general nightmare matchup for any other team was important.
Having a steady hand in Fisher was important.
Having good perimeter defenders in MWP/Artest/Ariza was important.

That's why nobody will ever call Pau a top 10 player, or even top 20, because he needed all this help.

Also, he had quite a few failures when he did NOT have all this help, and it counts as well.

Was Pau great? Depends on how you define great. I tend to think he is. He led his team to two les. He led the Spanish team to unexpected success. But he is most definitely not one of the best ever.

You have to give credit where credit is due, 16/16/6 games with a perimeter that bad is a good game, if not great. There are no two ways about it.

[jeebus]

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/monost/...ack-kevin-love


Dwight Howard is the black Kevin Love.

[Clipper Nation]

Pau was a beast in his prime, leading his team to two les despite his raping, snitching, egotistical third wheel trying to use him as a scapegoat, tbh..... Lakerfan needs to show some gra ude....

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Pau was a beast in his prime, leading his team to two les despite his raping, snitching, egotistical third wheel trying to use him as a scapegoat, tbh..... Lakerfan needs to show some gra ude....

Pau didn't win a single playoff game till Kobe took him in.

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I wont even respond to such ridiculous drivel ...

Kool punched him in the stomach this morning and he's been running like a madman ever since.

[ambchang]

Kool punched him in the stomach this morning and he's been running like a madman ever since.

? What did Kool say this morning?

[jimbo]

I blame metta for part of it. Dantoni should start Clark since its not like the starters and kawhi have any offensive chemistry. I'd rather have the extra offense.

[namlook]

But ya can't have it both ways. Either Pau is the reason the Lakers win/lose or he's not. When Pau is on, Lakers win b2b. When he's not, Lakers get swept. Kobe was there the whole time.

Pau is a solid complimentary player. He's just not a lead player. Pau has never won a playoff game without Kobe. 0-13. There's no way to spin that.

[spurraider21]

Kobe can't win a playoff series unless he has a dominant big there to get the rebounds off all his bricks he lays tbh. but at the same time, we must realize Pau cannot win without his Pippen

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Pau has never won a playoff game without Kobe. 0-13.

[mercos]

Pau is a very good player, but he is a bit overrated. He couldn't lead Memphis anywhere in his prime. Tim Duncan carried a group of YMCA players that included Danny Ferry to the conference finals in 2001. Pau is not mentally strong, and he is not a leader. In team sports these things matter. Kobe has all of those mental intangibles, and that is why their pairing was so good. I'm definitely not blaming Pau for any of the Lakers failings, but saying he led the Lakers to les is crazy.

[pad300]

I hope they blame Pau and amnesty his ass. He could be lured to SA on the cheap for some vengeance...

Center: Duncan/Gasol
PF: Splitter/Diaw

of a front line...

[Killakobe81]

Pau is a very good player, but he is a bit overrated. He couldn't lead Memphis anywhere in his prime. Tim Duncan carried a group of YMCA players that included Danny Ferry to the conference finals in 2001. Pau is not mentally strong, and he is not a leader. In team sports these things matter. Kobe has all of those mental intangibles, and that is why their pairing was so good. I'm definitely not blaming Pau for any of the Lakers failings, but saying he led the Lakers to les is crazy.

Close thread. Great post. Pau has the same drawbacks as David Robinson. Better skill offensively but leap years behind athletically and defensively. But neither were able to truly lead a team to a le on their own. Even though their talent screams #1 option their mindset (i think calling either menatlly weak is wrong) just lends themselves to be a sidekick. And there is nothing wrong with that. Achilles won in that role and as a lead dog ...Pau can not win as a lead dog he is not wired that way and to lessor degree neither was the Admiral ... but Im pretty sure if you gave him Pau's supporting cast he would win .....


ONE DAMN PLAYOFF GAME!!!!