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  1. 04-22-2013 #76
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    Quote Originally Posted by DMC
    Explain just how you come to the conclusion that Kobe is a leader.
    He is unquestionably in charge on the court, and people follow him. Like I said, you may not like the type of leader he is, or even think he is a bad leader, but its silly to suggest he is not the leader of the Lakers. I'm personally not a fan of the tyrant style of leadership that guys like Kobe and MJ exhibit, but I do recognize it as leadership.
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  2. 04-23-2013 #77
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    Waiting on the long diatribe from Amb ...
    "but, but if you look at winshares in the Finals or True shooting % how can Mercos argue that Pau did not lead the LAkers?" My numbers are Never worong ... answer will not compute

    I dunno ... he actually WATCHED both play perhaps ... and has a brain?
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  3. 04-23-2013 #78
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    Quote Originally Posted by mercos
    He is unquestionably in charge on the court, and people follow him. Like I said, you may not like the type of leader he is, or even think he is a bad leader, but its silly to suggest he is not the leader of the Lakers. I'm personally not a fan of the tyrant style of leadership that guys like Kobe and MJ exhibit, but I do recognize it as leadership.
    Argument ad nauseum doesn't explain anything. Saying he's unquestionably that which I just asked you to explain doesn't do anything but repeat the assertion. What makes you think he's in charge on the court, because he demands the ball all the time?
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  4. 04-23-2013 #79
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koolaid_Man
    Perhaps I wasn't descriptive enough...let me try again:

    Pau without Kobe 0-13 with a 0% win percentage
    Pau after Kobe took him in is 55-34 for a 62% win percentage
    Kobe without Pau is 4-8 for a 33% win percentage

    Pau literally cannot win without Kobe...those percentage deltas are similiar to Mavs>Spurs getting a job paying 125k / yr vs his current 25k / yr. It also shows that Pau doubles Kobe's win % by about 31 % by whereas Kobe increases Pau's win percentage by 100%
    You and Dale, calling one playoff game a "win".

    The Lakers won b2b when Pau was on. They lost b2b (swept basically) when Pau was not. They hit 3 Finals in a row when Pau was on. This season will be 3 Finals in a row that they will miss because Pau wasn't on.

    Pau is the lever.
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  5. 04-23-2013 #80
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thread
    He signed off on Jackson's return even though he'd been besmirched by Jackson.
    He signed off on Artest's request to come and help even though Artest had been a lifelong arch criminal.
    He signed off on Gasol. Then proceeded to beat him unmercifully until he extracted every ounce of goodness from this man.

    You want it neat & tidy, like it's presented there in San Antonio. But, its the same there. The process of making sausage being in Texas or California has nary a trace of difference. Winning an NBA le is filthy work. It's not a game. It's not fun. It wasn't meant to be. Bryant understands that. Magic beat it into him so that when Boston came for us in June of '10 Kobe turned them away and preserved our freedom.
    Summary: Kobe signs off on all the help he can get because he' such a leader.

    Leaders don't hold teams for ransom. They lead by example. Did you hear how, if a book was being written on being a great teammate and team leader, Duncan and Nash would be the co-Authors? Kobe is well known as the bane of the Lakers, not the leader. Fish was the leader, and sans Fish, zero.
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  6. 04-23-2013 #81
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killakobe81
    Close thread. Great post. Pau has the same drawbacks as David Robinson. Better skill offensively but leap years behind athletically and defensively. But neither were able to truly lead a team to a le on their own. Even though their talent screams #1 option their mindset (i think calling either menatlly weak is wrong) just lends themselves to be a sidekick. And there is nothing wrong with that. Achilles won in that role and as a lead dog ...Pau can not win as a lead dog he is not wired that way and to lessor degree neither was the Admiral ... but Im pretty sure if you gave him Pau's supporting cast he would win .....


    ONE DAMN PLAYOFF GAME!!!!
    Tell that to the Spanish national team.

    And nobody is comparing Pau to Duncan, that is just re ed.
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  7. 04-23-2013 #82
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    Quote Originally Posted by mercos
    You may not like the type of leader he is, but Kobe is a leader. As for his 06 series and trade demands, those are not symptoms of mental weakness. Spoiled brat behavior no doubt, but not something that points towards mental weakness. Kobe has plenty of issues that can be criticized, but his mental capacity is not one of them.
    Shooting terribly in every single elimination game is though.
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  8. 04-23-2013 #83
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    Quote Originally Posted by mercos
    He is unquestionably in charge on the court, and people follow him. Like I said, you may not like the type of leader he is, or even think he is a bad leader, but its silly to suggest he is not the leader of the Lakers. I'm personally not a fan of the tyrant style of leadership that guys like Kobe and MJ exhibit, but I do recognize it as leadership.
    Quote Originally Posted by Killakobe81
    Waiting on the long diatribe from Amb ...
    "but, but if you look at winshares in the Finals or True shooting % how can Mercos argue that Pau did not lead the LAkers?" My numbers are Never worong ... answer will not compute

    I dunno ... he actually WATCHED both play perhaps ... and has a brain?
    KK81, I never realized I made you this butthurt about it, I apologize for it.

    But to respond, there is no need for a long answer, the answer is short. Look at Shaq, Pau, Dwight, Smush Parker, then read Phil Jackson's book. Kobe thought he was the leader, there just weren't any followers .... well, maybe you can count the mentally unstable MWP, but that's a short list of teammates.
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  9. 04-23-2013 #84
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    Quote Originally Posted by DMC
    You and Dale, calling one playoff game a "win".

    The Lakers won b2b when Pau was on. They lost b2b (swept basically) when Pau was not. They hit 3 Finals in a row when Pau was on. This season will be 3 Finals in a row that they will miss because Pau wasn't on.

    Pau is the lever.
    Gasol couldn't win a single playoff game till Kobe took him in.
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  10. 04-23-2013 #85
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    Quote Originally Posted by ambchang
    maybe you can count the mentally unstable MWP, but that's a short list of teammates.
    I don't think Pierce counted him.

    tee, hee.
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  11. 04-23-2013 #86
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thread
    If he could bully Pierce 23 feet from the rim, anything is possible.

    Not Leonard
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbspurs
    Not Leonard
    - "Promises, promises."

    - Ernie "The Cat" Ladd
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thread
    - "Promises, promises."

    - Ernie "The Cat" Ladd

    Leonard will guard him all the way to the stands!
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  14. 04-23-2013 #89
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thread
    Gasol couldn't win a single playoff game till Kobe took him in.
    So then why are you blaming Pau?
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  15. 04-23-2013 #90
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    Quote Originally Posted by DMC
    So then why are you blaming Pau?
    The worst thing a person can do is bring home a bronze medal then refuse to ever play for his country again. Its like draft dodging. Its quite pathetic.

    Now back to Gasol 0-13 soon to be 0-14 with out that ..
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  16. 04-23-2013 #91
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koolaid_Man
    The worst thing a person can do is bring home a bronze medal then refuse to ever play for his country again. Its like draft dodging. Its quite pathetic.
    Like welching?
    Now back to Gasol 0-13 soon to be 0-14 with out that ..
    You quit. Then you come back to eat your own vomit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DMC
    Then you come back to eat your own vomit.
    lmemulatedao!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DMC
    Like welching?

    You quit. Then you come back to eat your own vomit.
    I'm I'm I'm so bad...I'm so bad...I'm so bad...I can suck my own
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koolaid_Man
    I'm I'm I'm so bad...I'm so bad...I'm so bad...I can suck my own
    If not you can suck mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DMC
    If not you can suck mine.
    DMC = Da Micro ....why don't you visit my tiny dot com
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koolaid_Man
    DMC = Da Micro ....why don't you visit my tiny dot com
    Is that the same site as yourtube.com?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DMC
    Is that the same site as yourtube.com?
    I've been trying to come up with a moniker for you and now it's settled..from hence forth you shall go by the name Da Mini ..I will even take the time to spell it out each and every time
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    DMC - I'm legitimately torn between Da Micro and Da Mini
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koolaid_Man
    DMC - I'm legitimately torn between Da Micro and Da Mini
    Based on your welching reputation, I'm torn between your monicker being Da Mini bank account and Da micro bank account
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koolaid_Man
    DMC - I'm legitimately torn between Da Micro and Da Mini
    Suck them both, decide later.
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