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    What is it with you board liberals? Think about this saying we need higher minimum wage and why you say we need it. You are thinking it to be a bandage solution for people's irresponsibility.

    Most of these people should have never had kids to begin with. They should be stigmatized, and scorned, as an example. So others don't want to follow in their footsteps. We need to do something to stop people from having kids that cannot afford to have kids.

    Solve the root problems, and stop imposing ideas on the rest of society to deal with your acceptance of irresponsibility.
    I'm not a board liberal, and the lack of a living wage is one of the root problems.

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    .......... throw a punisher emblem on them?
    In!

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    Twist what I say as you wish, but stigmas work.

    If you wish to support the irresponsible people of this nation, then get together with like minded people, and start a charity for them. Put your own money where your mouth is. Just stay out of the tax payers money, and my wallet.
    Show us how "stigmas" work. And before you do that, please provide your working definition of stigma.

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    This ought to be good.

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    This is God's will. Let's all pray for Obama.

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    WC got suckered, because it matches his laughable bias, by 1%er St Ronnie denigrating, slandering, criminalizing ALL public assistance recipients as Welfare-Queen-in-Cadillac frauds.

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    What is it with you board liberals? Think about this saying we need higher minimum wage and why you say we need it. You are thinking it to be a bandage solution for people's irresponsibility.

    Most of these people should have never had kids to begin with. They should be stigmatized, and scorned, as an example. So others don't want to follow in their footsteps. We need to do something to stop people from having kids that cannot afford to have kids.

    Solve the root problems, and stop imposing ideas on the rest of society to deal with your acceptance of irresponsibility.

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    I agree 100% with Wild Cobra on the fact these people who are dirt poor not having kids. What I don't get is why he complains about unprepared parents having kids when he's pro-life.

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    Or...

    Reduce government assistance, and people will take lower paying jobs.
    Right, because it's not like there are millions of people who work low pay jobs 40+ hours a week who receive government assistance.

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    Twist what I say as you wish, but stigmas work.

    If you wish to support the irresponsible people of this nation, then get together with like minded people, and start a charity for them. Put your own money where your mouth is. Just stay out of the tax payers money, and my wallet.
    Personally, I am tired of libertarian policies that pick my pocket and force me to pay for things I don't want.

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    This ought to be good.
    But it won't be.

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    My standards are pretty low, tbh.

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    Real Faces of the Minimum Wage

    Corporate interests and their elected representatives have created a world of illusion in order to resist paying a decent wage to working Americans. They’d have us believe that minimum-wage workers are teens from ’50s TV sitcoms working down at the local malt shoppe.

    It’s a retro-fantasy where corporate stinginess creates minority jobs, working parents can’t possibly be impoverished, and nobody gets hurt except kids who drive dad’s convertible and top up their allowances with a minimum-wage job slinging burgers.

    But then, you probably need to resort to fantasy arguments when you’re arguing against a minimum-wage increase supported by nearly three-quarters of the voting public. That’s also why it’s important to demand that Congress allow an up-or-down vote on the Fair Minimum Wage Act, which would raise it to $10.10 and then index it to inflation.

    Here’s the truth: Most minimum-wage workers are adults, the majority of them are women, and many are parents who are trying to raise their children on poverty wages.

    The Facts

    Minimum wage workers are adults.

    Nearly 80 percent of the workers who would be directly affected by a minimum wage increase are adults, as seen in an analysis by the National Women’s Law Center. When you include those who would be indirectly affected that figure becomes more than 92 percent.

    Less than 16 percent of workers who would be affected by President Obama’s minimum-wage proposal are teenagers.

    Minimum wage workers are parents.

    Many of those workers are parents. More than seven million children – nearly one out of every 10 kids in the United States – have parents whose income would go up under a new minimum wage. When you count the parents whose wages would be indirectly affected, that rises to more than 11 million (or roughly one in six) children whose households would benefit from the increase.

    Most minimum-wage workers are women.

    That’s not something the right wants to emphasize. Other than formally declaring itself “anti-woman,” there’s not much more the GOP can do to lose the female vote. It certainly doesn’t want people to notice that this is one more policy that disproportionately harms women.

    The Fantasy

    This may not be a “Leave It to Beaver” world, but there are plenty of real-life Eddie Haskells. Remember Eddie, the unctuous and untrustworthy high-school self-promoter? Think Mitt Romney – who supported raising the minimum wage, at least in principle, until he began a presidential campaign that was funded by his fellow millionaires and dependent on today’s radical right. Then he reversed himself quicker than a fella could say “You look lovely today, Mrs. Cleaver!”

    Romney argued that the minimum wage should be tied, not to productivity or executive gains, but to world indicators. That would create a global wage race to the bottom, one that hurts everyone except the wealthiest corporate leaders worldwide. That’s the point, of course. (“You look lovely today, Frau Merkel!”)

    Last month Republicans in Congress rejected a proposal that would have raised the minimum wage to $10.10. They’ve also indicated they would reject the president’s more modest proposal for a $9.00 minimum.

    True to form, they keep trotting out that tired old “malt shoppe” argument. Rep. Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee, for example, said she opposed a higher minimum wage because “you’re going to exclude a lot of younger workers.”

    Remember, more than eight out of ten workers affected by a minimum wage hike are adults.

    The Dirt

    When it comes to the Right and the minimum wage, it’s not all malted milks and sock hops. There’s also their much-beloved fantasy of the minimum wage as “racist.” Seriously. It’s a dirty argument to make – but then, there’s a lot of money at stake.

    Roy Edroso is one of a hardy band of writers whose beat includes the ever-growing body of “right-wing lit.” (We owe them a debt of gra ude. They go spelunking in the dark caves of the human spirit so that we don’t have to.) Edroso points us to Jonah Goldberg’s assertion that the minimum wage’s original backers were racists who supported it specifically because it harms black people.

    Bizarrely enough, this is a common right-wing stratagem. The Wall Street Journal even calls an increased minimum wage “The Minority Youth Unemployment Act.“ While it’s touching to note the editors’ new-found solicitude toward nonwhite kids, they’re ignoring the fact that the vast majority of minimum-wage workers aren’t “youth.”

    They aren’t minorities, either. Awkwardly enough for race-baiters like Goldberg and the Journal, most minimum-wage workers are white. There are more minorities among minimum-wage earners (who are 57.9 percent white) than in the overall workforce (which is 67.9 percent white). But that doesn’t support the “race” arguments against raising the minimum wage.

    The Trip

    Neither do the economic analyses, unless you rely on the highly selective economic studies employed by the Journal and other anti-minimum-wage advocates. Some rely on “meta-studies,” or analyses of earlier studies, which selective pick and choose from earlier works. Others rely on the work of economists with a pronounced ideological bent to the right.

    The short answer to their job-creation argument is this: The minimum wage has dropped 30 percent in real dollars since 1968. Where are the jobs?

    Meanwhile, the right keeps projecting its liquid illusions onto the walls of their political reality like a low-rent psychedelic show in… well, in 1968, when the minimum wage was much higher and the economy was doing much better than it is today. (The official unemployment rate that year was 3.6 percent.)

    Here’s another mind-bending image: We’re told that raising the minimum wage would harm small companies – but most low-wage employees work for large corporations.

    We’re also told that employers can’t afford to raise their pay, but these corporations are experiencing record-level profits. (We deal with these last two arguments in greater detail here.)

    And so the debate rages on, fueled by the cheap hallucinogenic deceptions of the corporate-funded right. Corporate profits continue to soar. CEO pay keeps skyrocketing. Suburban skylines are being reshaped by the megamansions of our New Gilded Age.

    And meanwhile the Real Faces of the Minimum Wage – the mothers, fathers, the young and the old – struggle to survive and raise their children in an increasingly harsh world, far from the media spotlight and invisible to the powerful interests arrayed against them.

    http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/15994-real-faces-of-the-minimum-wage

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    My standards are pretty low, tbh.
    LIES!!!!

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    Truthout needs to do their homework.

    http://www.bls.gov/cps/minwage2011.htm

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    "Minimum wage workers tend to be young. Although workers under age 25 represented only about one-fifth of hourly-paid workers, they made up about half of those paid the Federal minimum wage or less. Among employed teenagers paid by the hour, about 23 percent earned the minimum wage or less, compared with about 3 percent of workers age 25 and over. (See table 1 and table 7.)"

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    Not that the argument is invalidated, but hoisting false factoids destroys the credibility of truthout on this one.

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    2008-65 = 1943

    2010-65=1945

    2012-65=1947

    The above equations make me think the red line doesn't quite mean much.

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    Not that the argument is invalidated, but hoisting false factoids destroys the credibility of truthout on this one.
    Your quoted fact does not negate Truthouts statement, based on another source:

    Minimum wage workers are adults.

    Nearly 80 percent of the workers who would be directly affected by a minimum wage increase are adults, as seen in an analysis by the National Women’s Law Center. When you include those who would be indirectly affected that figure becomes more than 92 percent.
    Simply because the BLS didn't differentiat between "adults" (17 or younger) and minors.

    Given that the ages 16-25 are 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, and 25 The statement "80% are adults" would seem to be validated.

    If half are over 25 that is 50% of the minimum wage workers,
    and
    the ages 18-25, i.e. "adults" comprise most of the cohort of 16-25 year olds,
    and,
    I would guess, a disproportionate amount of workers compared to 16 and 17 year olds who, by and large, are still in high school,
    Truthouts blurb is actually almost certainly accurate.

    Better would be to acknowledge the skewness of youth, but not misleading, or inaccurate, it would seem, especially if 50% of minimum wage workers are over 25.

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    at those number are for exactly $7.25. Plenty of ADULTS are under $10/hour. the avg walmart associate is well under $20K/year ($10 x 2000)

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    Or...

    Reduce government assistance, and people will take lower paying jobs.
    and in turn..require govt assistance

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    Minimum wage workers are parents.

    Many of those workers are parents. More than seven million children – nearly one out of every 10 kids in the United States – have parents whose income would go up under a new minimum wage. When you count the parents whose wages would be indirectly affected, that rises to more than 11 million (or roughly one in six) children whose households would benefit from the increase.
    Punishing the kids for having parents who themselves are little more than children, seems short-sighted and, to me, extremely immoral.

    You have to break the cycle, and charity won't cut it, and will never have the resources to do so, conservative mythology be damned.

    This is one aread where we need more government spending, and quite a bit more of it, to properly address.

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    at those number are for exactly $7.25. Plenty of ADULTS are under $10/hour. the avg walmart associate is well under $20K/year ($10 x 2000)
    Absolutely, which underpins the need for a living wage.

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    Punishing the kids for having parents who themselves are little more than children, seems short-sighted and, to me, extremely immoral.

    You have to break the cycle, and charity won't cut it, and will never have the resources to do so, conservative mythology be damned.

    This is one aread where we need more government spending, and quite a bit more of it, to properly address.
    I don't think a min wage push falls under the descriptor "government spending". It's almost entirely private sector driven.

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    "It's almost entirely private sector driven."

    duh, of course, AFTER the govt passes the minimum wage law.

    Some conservatives, Repugs want to abolish the minimum wage, aka, War on Employees



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