Spurs: Duncan really hasnt had that many "great" games relative to other greats...

[manufan10]

Cake.

Number of 30/15 games in which they WON:



Duncans a distant fifth in that one.

Yet 2 of them couldn't even lead their teams to championships.

So boiled down it's:

Duncan 4

TOSB Barkley/Malone 0

[midnightpulp]

A great game is a great game. Regardless if happens in December or June.

The fact remains Duncan really didnt have that many great games relative to other greats.

Im claiming victory now.

A 20-10 game in the Finals is much greater than a 30-15 game in November.

And Duncan has had plenty of great games relative to other greats. In the playoffs, where and when it counts.

Regular Seasn stats.

And Carmelo has about about 60 greater games than Faried this year, yet you place Faried over Anthony on the All NBA team. Why? Because you feel his defensive/qualitative contributions to his team outweigh Melo's offense contributions to his. While it is extremely re ed to place Faried over Melo, your logic is actually sound. Funny how you don't afford Duncan the same in your comparisons with Barkley, Malone, and even Shaq, who Duncan was a much better defender than, as well.

Consistently apply your logic or don't apply it all.

But I get your motivation behind this thread.

" How dare they say Duncan is the greatest PF of all-time when Barkley has so many more regular season "great games."

You want the greatest PF of all-time label for your precious Barkley, here it is. I've always considered Duncan something of a hybrid tweener.

Just know Barkley ain't the better player (and not one advanced stat proves otherwise), no matter how many regular season 30-15 games he tallied in the high paced 80's.

[HarlemHeat37]

Which is funny because he's played less playoff games than Malone & Shaq but matches/beats them in many 'great' games....

Ya, his argument is all over the place..

He always picks and chooses which posts he's going to reply to, as well..

[HarlemHeat37]

^ ya, his contradictory arguments are puzzling..

His all-NBA teams included:

Tyson Chandler(good to great defensive player that only contributes on offense through screens and spoon-fed dunks)

Kenneth Faried(very good rebounder, great hustle player, mediocre defender that only scores on spoon-fed dunks and putbacks)

Paul George(average scorer, above average passer, good rebounder and good to great defensive player)


Yet this thread has shown us a 180 in his preferences and values in players..

[ohmwrecker]

Even Charles Barkley thinks Tim Duncan is better than Charles Barkley.

[midnightpulp]

^ ya, his contradictory arguments are puzzling..

His all-NBA teams included:

Tyson Chandler(good to great defensive player that only contributes on offense through screens and spoon-fed dunks)

Kenneth Faried(very good rebounder, great hustle player, mediocre defender that only scores on spoon-fed dunks and putbacks)

Paul George(average scorer, above average passer, good rebounder and good to great defensive player)


Yet this thread has shown us a 180 in his preferences and values in players..

Yep. Just like Malone fans. He's ass-pained that Duncan has the GPFOAT le and is spinning like a top trying to find whatever "evidence" he can to disprove that notion.

And just like Malone fans, he uses regular seasn stats.

[SpursRock20]

So this is what I've gotten so far from this thread...

People like the OP hate on Duncan because of his demeanor. He is quietly dominant and doesn't say a damn word. That pisses opposing players and fans off. It makes them that much madder when he consistently does it again and again in the exact same fashion. This hate manifests itself. Once again (who is now 37) outplays a supposedly more dominant player in this Lakers series. The OP (who has no more Suns games to watch) notices this and his hate for the "boring" big man returns. He fetches some stats to help prove to himself that Duncan really is not that great, but just a good player who got lucky to be shipped to San Antonio , was fortunate to be on a team that could only build through the draft , and could not put up great games because he was not able to .

The OP gets a reasonable rebuttal (difference in pace) for the discrepancy in the so-called "big games" between Duncan and some of the other all-time great big men, yet still spews the same out of his mouth. One of the many reasons I believe Duncan to be an all-time great is due to the fact that he continually puts up great games without any emotion. He's playing a game where flair and emotion are abundant, but he would rather play a game of poker. Haters can't understand how someone so dominant can be so emotionless, so some (like the OP) try to convince themselves that he must not be dominant and go and fetch raw stats without looking into the numbers.

I think this sums up the thread pretty well. Amazing how ignorant some people truly are.

[midnightpulp]

So this is what I've gotten so far from this thread...

People like the OP hate on Duncan because they're Barkley fans. He is quietly dominant and doesn't say a damn word. That pisses opposing players and fans off. It makes them that much madder when he consistently does it again and again in the exact same fashion. This hate manifests itself. Once again (who is now 37) outplays a supposedly more dominant player in this Lakers series. The OP (who has no more Suns games to watch) notices this and his hate for the "boring" big man returns. He fetches some stats to help prove to himself that Duncan really is not that great, but just a good player who got lucky to be shipped to San Antonio , was fortunate to be on a team that could only build through the draft , and could not put up great games because he was not able to .

The OP gets a reasonable rebuttal (difference in pace) for the discrepancy in the so-called "big games" between Duncan and some of the other all-time great big men, yet still spews the same out of his mouth. One of the many reasons I believe Duncan to be an all-time great is due to the fact that he continually puts up great games without and he does it with out any emotion. He's playing a game where flair and emotion are abundant, but he would rather play a game of poker. Haters can't understand how someone so dominant can be so emotionless, so some (like the OP) try to convince themselves that he must not be dominant and go and fetch raw stats without looking into the numbers.

I think this sums up the thread pretty well. Amazing how ignorant some people truly are.

Fixed.

[SpursRock20]

Yeah, I see that he is a Barkley fan and is biased but we are Duncan fans and the same could be said of us. I really believe that the lack of respect for Duncan comes from his character.

[manufan10]

Check out the NBA Finals stats. I used each series that all players played in 6 games, so that there is no discrepancies in games played.

Tim Duncan (2003): 24.2 PPG 17 TRB 5.3 AST 1.0 STL 5.3 BLK
Charles Barkley (1993): 27.3 PPG 13 TRB 5.5 AST 1.2 STL 0.5 BLK
Karl Malone (1998): 25 PPG 10.5 TRB 3.8 AST 1.0 STL 1.2 BLK

For Karl Malone, both Finals appearances went 6 games, so I went with his best stats which happened to be in 1998.

[da_suns_fan]

Yep. Just like Malone fans. He's ass-pained that Duncan has the GPFOAT le and is spinning like a top trying to find whatever "evidence" he can to disprove that notion.

And just like Malone fans, he uses regular seasn stats.

Im not clinging to regular season. Im counting both regular season and playoffs. YOU want to throw out the regular season because Duncan's regular season games are so...boring.

Ambchang - Jordan had more 40 point 10 rebound games than Duncan. A lot more.

Deal with it.

[da_suns_fan]

Yeah, I see that he is a Barkley fan and is biased but we are Duncan fans and the same could be said of us. I really believe that the lack of respect for Duncan comes from his character.

No disrespect here. Just pointing out Duncan didnt have a lot of big games relative to the other greats.

The responses you see are the butt-hurt Spurs fans who cant deal with it.

[ambchang]

Im not clinging to regular season. Im counting both regular season and playoffs. YOU want to throw out the regular season because Duncan's regular season games are so...boring.

Ambchang - Jordan had more 40 point 10 rebound games than Duncan. A lot more.

Deal with it.

Never said he didn't have. Numbers are numbers, and neither you nor I could change it.

My question isn't how Jordan had more 40/10 games, my question had to do with your assertion that Jordan had more good big man games than Duncan, when Jordan did worse in three of the four categories you set out.

Another question is why 40 points would have anything to do with a big man game. In fact, 9 of the top 20 players in that 40/10 list weren't even big man in the NBA sense, but guards and forwards.

[ambchang]

No disrespect here. Just pointing out Duncan didnt have a lot of big games relative to the other greats.

The responses you see are the butt-hurt Spurs fans who cant deal with it.

The problem isn't the number of games, the problem is the wild conclusions you drew out of it, where you said Duncan wasn't as dominant, where you said Jordan had more better big man games, where you said Malone and Barkley were better because of these. It has been proven wrong over and over again, and you refuse to admit it, then move the goal post time and time again. That's the problem.

I understand you are trying to troll, but please use something that is less easily refuted next time. All these post by Spurs fans are just telling you how horrible a job you did at trolling. You have to live with it.

[da_suns_fan]

Never said he didn't have. Numbers are numbers, and neither you nor I could change it.

My question isn't how Jordan had more 40/10 games, my question had to do with your assertion that Jordan had more good big man games than Duncan, when Jordan did worse in three of the four categories you set out.

Another question is why 40 points would have anything to do with a big man game. In fact, 9 of the top 20 players in that 40/10 list weren't even big man in the NBA sense, but guards and forwards.

Ive answered this like five times already.

You need to get over it. YOu can still like Duncan if you want.

[midnightpulp]

No disrespect here. Just pointing out Duncan didnt have a lot of big games relative to the other greats.

The responses you see are the butt-hurt Spurs fans who cant deal with it.

No, we're trying to enlighten you to how stupid your argument is.

We can deal with Duncan having plenty of big playoff games relative to other greats. That's all that matters.

We can also deal with Duncan being second all-time in playoff games in which he shot over 50%, which he's managed to do 57% of the time, which is a better percentage than Hakeem, Malone, and your precious Barkley.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...=&order_by=pts

[da_suns_fan]

No, we're trying to enlighten you to how stupid your argument is.

We can deal with Duncan having plenty of big playoff games relative to other greats. That's all that matters.

We can also deal with Duncan being second all-time in playoff games in which he shot over 50%, which he's managed to do 57% of the time, which is better percentage than Hakeem, Malone, and your precious Barkley.

Hahah..throw out reg season cuz duncans so boring.

[da_suns_fan]

Dont penalize Shaq, Barkley, Malone or Hakeem just because Duncan is boring.

Their regular season games should count midnight. Its not their fault Duncans so "meh".

[da_suns_fan]

Midnight is in full "meltdown" mode.

[midnightpulp]

Hahah..throw out Duncans boring regular seasons.

Yep. Spurs pace themselves during the regular season, Duncan included. They go 10-12 deep and try to limit their stars minutes as much as they can. This is a known fact.

If D'Antoni understood that when he was with you guys, Nash wouldn't have a foot in the grave right now and Amare would've went down as an all-time great.

Your argument doesn't consider any variables, just looks at raw per game stats (which in themselves are flawed) and that's why it's re ed.

[Clipper Nation]

Hahah..throw out reg season cuz duncans so boring.

At least you're finally admitting the real purpose of this thread, which is to blindly hate on Tim Duncan

"Duncan's boring, so there!"

[midnightpulp]

Midnight is in full "meltdown" mode.

Yeah, you were just trolling all along right?

Nope. You really believe in your asinine argument and are deflecting with the "I troll you" defense because you've been thoroughly submerged in our semen and are desperately trying to swim your way out.

Stopping paddling and kicking and just drown. It's more honorable for you that way. Get back to your Faried>Melo argument, which was surprisingly less moronic than your efforts here.

[SpursRock20]

No disrespect here. Just pointing out Duncan didnt have a lot of big games relative to the other greats.

The responses you see are the butt-hurt Spurs fans who cant deal with it.

Let's see...

Number of 20/10 games:



Anyway you slice it, Duncan gets a big "meh".

As far as Jordan/Duncan, youre probably too dense to understand: Jordan had far more 40/10 games even though he was a shooting guard (who tend not to have double digit rebounds) because it was FAR more likely that Jordan would grab 10 rebounds (to go along with his usual 40 points) than Duncan having a 40 point game (to go along with his usual ten rebounds). And its not just Jordan. Its Dirk, Lebron, Kobe, Melo etc.

Bottom line: Duncan isnt a great scorer.

No..Spurs fans argue that Duncan didnt have "great games" but a ton of "good games" yet he didnt nearly as many "good games" as either Malone or Shaq.

Barkley didnt have as many "good games" as Duncan but in his own way he was better than anyone else.

Number of 20 point/20 rebound games:


You see now?

As far as Duncan/Jordan, youre either an idiot or just pretending to be. Duncan didnt have as many great games as his peers ( le of thread). The first query reveals several wings had far more 40 point/10 rebound games than Duncan did because Duncan's not a great scorer.

Hes not a great scorer. Hes not a great rebounder. He's consistently "good" at both but not nearly as consistent as Malone or Shaq.

And no, i did not factor in "pace". Funny that Shaq/Barkley/Malone dont need the EXCUSES that spurs fans give Duncan.

Seems like a lot of butt-hurt disrespect. But whatever.

[da_suns_fan]

At least you're finally admitting the real purpose of this thread, which is to blindly hate on Tim Duncan

"Duncan's boring, so there!"

No, Duncan is boring during the regular season so Spurs fans want to throw out regular season games when comparing to other players (who arent boring during the regular season).

It aint their fault Duncan cant light it up on a nightly basis!

[Clipper Nation]

Duncan coasts and rests in the regular season, tbh.... maybe if your boy Barkley had saved his energy for the playoffs, he would have rang instead of being a career choke artist