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Far less negative impact than the police not ticketing people for bad driving habits, that end up killing how many thousands each year?
Dumbass doesn't see the value in regulating nitrate factories.
What do profit motivation mean?
Far less negative impact than the police not ticketing people for bad driving habits, that end up killing how many thousands each year?
That analogy makes no sense. What you're actually saying: police don't/can't stop ever bad driver; therefore inspections shouldn't occur. Do you see how those two pieces don't go together?
rick you're a
LOL...
Close. I'm saying there are larger issues to deal with. Police flat out ignore such infractions by drivers with dangerous driving habits.
Lack of or lax inspections probably increase such accidents. How many people die each year? How many might have been prevented with inspections? It's a pretty small number, isn't it?
Reckless driving habits of people are plainly visible all the time, and thousands of deaths occur annually from something that is much more clearly preventable.
As a nation, what would you prefer? To tackle the meaningful issues, or the ones the media portrays that tugs on your heartstrings? If you are really concerned about preventable accidents, shouldn't we start with the largest source, and most easily remedied?
I'm sorry, but I have a very big problem with the idea of focusing on a tragedy that is very, very, rare, vs. the daily vehicular deaths. We all see the idiots on the road. We all know that some day, they will likely cause an accident.
WC, I think you're thinking about this the wrong way. I'm not saying that they should be inspected every 6 months, or even every year. However, I don't think an inspection each 5 or even 10 years would be that strenuous. Would you agree with that statement?
And there's nothing that says I can't be concerned about more than one thing at a time. Frankly, given that we just had a terrorist (yes, I know there were no political ramifications known making it technically "not" terrorism, whatever) attack, AND an accident involving a building that stores a highly explosive material, I think now's a great time to look at making our inspection policies more timely.
Finally, this is MUCH easier to fix than stopping vehicular deaths. We don't have to rely on millions of cops doing their job, analyzing millions of drivers. This is an inspection for a building. It's comparing apples and oranges. If we wait until we "fix" a certain issue to fix other issues, then nothing would ever get done. "Guys, you can't worry about developing a more effective vaccine for the flu, millions are dying of cancer!"
Regulations of businesses are required, inspection frequent, infractions fined heavily, because its mortally obvious that businesses refuse to self regulate.
eg, 500+ killed "walking down the corn" over decades.
oil spills, refinery explosions, foreclosure fraud/home-stealing, etc, etc.
Last edited by boutons_deux; 04-29-2013 at 09:18 AM.
If a conseravtive did this cartoon Chris Matthews would be crying foul.
Republicans Have Created a World Where Going to Work Can Get You Killed
Conservatives spend inordinate amounts of time trying to neuter the government from its role as a regulatory body with the power to rein in corporate depravity. For them, unfettered capitalism is a religion because the “invisible hand” of the market place is supposed to somehow overcome the malevolent tendencies of the profit-motive and churn out a healthy society. The rash of employee deaths on the job across a number of industries has received inadequate responses from the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) for several decades now as conservatives have undermined them. There is one additional guarantee for employers across the country; no matter how egregious their worker safety violations become, they know they will never have to face real criminal consequences.
OHSA isn’t doing any better at protecting the oil & gas workforce, steel mill workers, trench diggers, or as we all keenly aware following the West, Texas explosion, chemical plant workers. During a 4-month period in 2010, 58 workers were killed in the oil and gas industry, and one union health and safety inspector notes, “They are basically self-regulated.” It isn’t surprising, because the penalties that OSHA is allowed to assess are among the lowest of any regulatory agency. By law, they haven’t been able to increase penalties with inflation since 1990. They are not even allowed to force an employer to fix a safety hazard after they issue a citation, often settling for a “pledge” from the company to behave. For example, a worker death at Crucible Steel Industries came after OHSA had cited the company for 70 safety violations and issued it $250,000 in fines. These figures stand out, because “serious” violations defined by OSHA as “most likely result in death or serious physical harm” carry a maximum penalty of $7,000 and “willful” violations receive a maximum fine of $36,720.
Despite its lack of substantive regulatory power, Republicans have worked hard for decades to eliminate the ability of OSHA to do its job. There are only 2,200 inspectors for 8 million work sites. Many Democratic lawmakers, listening to health and safety experts, agree that OSHA is “weak and ineffective” and therefore, they have proposed laws strengthening the agency. This is particularly evident when reviewing OSHA procedures for handling worker safety complaints. Once an employee contacts OSHA to report their workplace, the agency does not immediately send inspectors to investigate the problem. Instead, they notify the employer, ask the employer to investigate the reported safety violation, and then the employer has five days to report back to the agency. If the agency is satisfied with the response given by the employer, no inspection is scheduled. Essentially, businesses are free to police themselves. Clearly, that is not working.
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It is not the repubs and lib s that killed anyone. I guess you lib s blame someone else for a tragedy.
Look...
I wouldn't disagree that periodic inspections would be good. I'm just of the impression that you think it would have made a difference in this case. I simply don't think it would have.
Wouldn't a terrorist be more incline to want to obtain the factories product instead of blowing it up?
See, that's what I disagree with. Sometimes in this chaotic world, happens. No matter how much to try to prevent bad things from happening, we are not Gods.
The police are out there to Protect and Serve. They aren't protecting anybody when they see and don't stop dangerous drivers. , I'll bet most people don't understand how dangerous their driving is. Society has allowed generations of reckless driving now.
Again, show me something needs to be fixed first. We should wait for the investigative results of the accident.
What if?
From what I understand, regulations require that nearby fire departments are informed and trained to fight the fires. Morally it was the responsibility of the owner to do that.
If they didn't bear the cost, then their profits very directly came at the negative externality of the firefighters lives, however well meaning the owner.
People like you abou tthe cost of gubmint regulations, when all those regulations tend to do, is make sure that the TRUE cost of a good or a product is fully paid for by the business itself, and all such negative externalities are paid.
http://lubbockonline.com/interact/bl...-was-stung-beePerry's indignation wasn't about the explosion and neither was Ohman’s cartoon. Ohman used the explosion as a metaphor. The purpose of the cartoon was to target Rick Perry and his policies, not West’s victims. Most realists in Texas know that Rick Perry is upset by nothing, unless it has to do with Rick Perry and Rick Perry’s image. The cartoon portrayed him as the scoundrel he is, that's why he's mad.
when the will this chode leave office?
but he's got great hair!
Wow...
Such certainty, and we don't know the cause yet.
I understand Boutons. Blame the evil corporations, no matter what.
WC: "blame the evil employees."
Texas under Perry slashed the money allocated to the training of volunteer fire departments as well, so there's that.
This may be true. However... Isn't such a thing suppose to be paid by communities?
As a nation, we need to ween ourselves off of big government. Stop expecting the state to do local stuff. Stop expecting the feds to do state stuff.
My God people...
True. We need to blame blame the victims as much as possible.
Even if they are Republicans.
rurals have benefited from super cheap phone service through the socialistic Universal Service Fund. Should that be abandoned and the rurals forced to pay back what it really cost to run a telephone to their isolated houses?
do you think rural electric and telephone coops should be privatized, eg, like Barry is proposing to do with TVA?
Ever think there's a reason the communities have a volunteer fire department?
smh
So was the ultimate result of the West explosion 15 canceled Czechs?
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