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90s nostalgia, tbh..
Weakest era in NBA history, a ty time for the league..
Jordan was like 33-34 at the time, feasting on 6'3 guards, tbh..
I think the biggest factor is officiating. Will they allow Scottie or any defender body Lebron. Touch fouls are rarely called in the 90's. This amoint has increased and is probably at its worst in this era.
Weakest era in NBA history, a ty time for the league..
Jordan was like 33-34 at the time, feasting on 6'3 guards, tbh..
Bulls would have the best player (though LeBron is close) better coach and also the third best player in a potential series tbh
Prime Jordan > Prime Lebron
Past his prime Jordan << Prime Lebron
Jordan was 33 or 34 at the time, he isn't touching the current version of Lebron..
Wade and Pippen are equals in this scenario, with Wade being slightly past his prime..
You are correct but Bulls were an exception. Also with all the injured star players this years playoff field is as ty as the 90s maybe worse.
Weakest era in NBA history, a ty time for the league..
Achilles, Rose, Love, Westbrook, Rondo and Lee all out ...All were allstars last year iirc
Only Rose and Rondo are relevant to the Heat, and they have already proven they dominate both teams with Bosh in the lineup..
If I had to choose, I would probably take the Bulls just to be safe. But that could change, depending on how much the Heat dominate in this playoff run. If they breeze through and only lose 1 or 2 games (sweeping every series is not out of the question, although unlikely) then I may change my pick to the Heat.
The main differences in this series I think would boil down to Bosh and Rodman. Bosh provides a noticable offensive advantage, while Rodman provides a noticable rebounding advantage. If the Bulls find a way to neutralize Bosh while Rodman continues to dominate on the boards, Bulls probably win. And vice versa, if Bosh can dominate offensively, and the Heat find a way to help keep Rodman off the offensive glass, the Heat probably win. But I'm thinking that there is a better chance of Bosh being limited offensively, than Rodman being limited on the boards, which is why my initial pick would go to the Bulls. But they would not dominate the Heat by any means. It would be 6-7 hard fought, slug-out games.
And all the "rule changes" and "officiating" stuff is meaningless. These are perhaps two of the greatest basketball teams in history. While both teams are good at taking advantage of the way games are officiated, they aren't necessarily reliant on it. It's not like the Thunder of these past few years, where they basically were incapable of winning games unless they were going to the foul line over and over and over. Teams that found a way to take away their ability to draw bullcrap fouls (Dallas and Miami) were able to dominate them.
Noone could really stop Bosh, Wade would have a field day on jump shots and driving to the hole.........Lebron would just be lebron, unstoppable............. Bulls in 5.
Still doesn't change his original point which is that the field is horribly ty this year, also after just running some of the starting two guards this year in my head...Billups, Eric Gordon, Kidd, Monta, Mayo, Beal, Stuckey, Lou Williams, Devin Harris, there's plenty of midget two guards starting now too. Probably as many as back then if not more
Addressed this in previous post
Those players don't guard Lebron..James' position is currently the toughest in the NBA, tbh..
Yep. And only reason I brought that up was because of Harlem's point. I dont do injuries Heat can only beat the teams in front of them, same as Bulls.
I was no Bulls fan but the 90's was weak argument only goes so far. Sure it might explain them breaking the record but if you put that team in this current NBA they still win 60+ games and still would be difficult for the Heat to defeat.
Also as good as this Heat team in how many Bucks, Wiz, Kings, Raptors, Bobcats and even Lakers wins were part of that streak?
I just dont see the relevance. Question was Bulls vs. Heat not 90's vs. 2013 NBA
Though dumars guarded jordan most of the time, roman did so in stints and was fine with it. If rodman was quick enough for Jordan, he is quick enough for Lebron. And no, Lebron is not a younger Jordan, their games, approaches, strengths and weaknesses are totally different.
Jordan faced some of the easiest guards during his second 3 peat. Kendall Gill, Jalen Rose, Reggie Miller, McKey, Calbert Cheaney, Bobby Phills, Nick Anderson and Steve Smith were assigned to him. It was no surprise that when Jordan finally faced an All NBA defense guard like Payton, he logged his lowest and most inefficient Finals series. You look at what Lebron and Wade brings to the table and its not hard to imagine them taking the series from the Bulls.
Wait, what?
James
Durant
Melo
Pierce
Iggy
Rudy Gay
Deng
Granger
I must be missing some guys but Not all that impressive, better than SG ...way better than center but PG has better overall qualityand PF is close tbh ... especially if Duncan is added to that list.
PG
Paul
Westbrook
Rondo
Curry
Parker
Wall
Rose
Lawson
Conley
Kyrie
SF is top heavy tbh ...
PF
Dirk
KG
Josh Smith
ZBO
Blake
Lee
Pau
Love
Duncan
Eyebrows
AL Jeff
Bosh
No he is not, at least not the Bulls version of Rodman ... he was not quick enough for Shawn Kemp.
NO WAY he can defend Lebron. Pippen is the best bet on that team. Followed by a locked in MJ ...
After Lebron, there is a significant dropoff in terms of talent in today's league. Kevin is a distant second so the argument that this era is strong relative to the 90's is absolute bull . No surprise Lebron fan runs with that argument.
This era and the 90's are different for a couple of things, some more so apparent than others:
1. The perimeter players in this era are much more talented and athletic.
2. The bigs in the 90's are light years more talented than this era's.
3. Officiating, of course.
Bulls win in 5 or 6. MJ and Pippen would mind Lebron and co.
You implied Jordan did well because he plsyed against weak comp. Go on basketball-reference and look at the current level of starting two guards..its a pile of dog ..Im not bb historian but I have to believe this is one the weakest crops ever..Also there literally only like 8-9 starting two guards above 6'4 in the entire league right now. I mean he would also get to go against guys like guys like JJ Re , Dion Waiters, Harden, Jared Dudley, Klay Thompson, etc who would have less than zero chance of slowing him down even like 1%
The rule changes in the intervening years mean the Bulls and Heat play fairly different kinds of basketball. If Miami had to play in the 90's, I like Chicago's chances; if Chicago had to play now, it's the Heat's series to lose.
Which team today do you guys think would do the best if they played the 80's and 90's?
Yes and no.
I don't disagree that the general quality of bigs in the 90s was probably higher, but the bigs today are being underestimated. The center position may not be as heavily dominated, but that's because most of the skilled big men play "PF" now, because playing at that spot allows them much more versatility. I think we can thank Tim Duncan for changing that trend, because I think a lot of people who currently play PF, would probably have been playing C, had they grew up in an era that put them in the 80s and 90s. Also, the way big men are being trained today is different than the big men who were playing through the 80s and 90s, and have more perimeter oriented abilities, which I think is largely due to what Dirk has been able to accomplish.
I think 10-15 years from now, we will all really see just how much of an effect that Duncan and Dirk had on the game, and how they really changed the way big men play. Duncan showed us all the benefits of having twin tower offenses, and Dirk showed the benefits and mismatches that can be created with having a big man with shooting guard skills.
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I was a Bulls fan back then (typically 90s front running kid at the time) and even I now admit they are overrated in terms of the annals of history. However, this year's Heat team is also overrated. The league is weak right now, with many of the former powers falling into obscurity (Mavericks, Lakers, Suns, Celtics, etc). The only other new power to emerge is the Thunder, and their rise has been predicated on touch fouls and free throws. Too many people are caught up in the moment in terms of the Heat. They are a good championship team, but I am not ready to call them a great one after one ring.
Weakest era in NBA history, a ty time for the league..
Jordan was like 33-34 at the time, feasting on 6'3 guards, tbh..
Well, probably I am being overly nostalgic about the late 80's Pistons. I always thought Daly was the best coach of all time, and I probably kept thinking about the Pistons Rodman even though his game (defense) got worse starting in the early 90s.
That said, I still think Rodman could guard Lebron, and I don't think Kemp was too quick for Rodman. He had like 2 really good games vs. the Bulls that series, and was decent to pretty good in the other games. Speaking of Kemp, he was built very similar to Lebron, similar strength, Lebron is a little quicker, but of course, Lebron had way better basketball IQ, sees the court better, handles the ball better, etc ...
Bulls in 5, I give batman and robin one game in south beach to keep it interesting
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