NBA: Jason Collins comes out of the closet

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Are you asking me or are you asking yourself?

I was agreeing with what that post responded to for the of it.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you'll continue to dance around having to find something specific I said that's extreme.

[DPG21920]

It's a combination of that and how much Christianity has destroyed America, just in my lifetime.

I also am a big fan of defending people's civil rights, which inherently makes me hostile towards Christianity.

. "I just use the word be@ner & n*gger as terms of endearment!"

[Blake]

We all know people used Christianity as a tool for other gains than conversion. Thinking otherwise is funny.

lol I see what you did there, implying that Jesus is a tool.

you slick wordsmith you

[Blake]

We all know people used Christianity as a tool for other gains than conversion. Thinking otherwise is funny.

lol I see what you did there, implying that Jesus is a tool.

you slick wordsmith you

[Chinook]

Just read his Kerry Rhodes and I dont agree with everything or the numbers though I have never really looked in to it (not a stats guy outside of sports either) ...
And No I dont think it should be a double standard if you cheat especially with no protection you put your partner at risk ...gay or straight.
But some women that have been burnt not only have those risks but also it really effs with their mind.
Where I agree with Trill is not that Jason needed to come out, but just dont get married or be intimate.
If you need an excuse to fit in if you dont want to be outed ...play the religous card and say you are saving it for marraige until you are ready to be out the closet.
Sleeping with a woman for appearance sake while you pillow bitin' on the down low is reprhensible.

One of my closest friends from college is doing that right now. It's pretty funny, in a sad kind of way. I'm waiting how long it takes until he pulls a Te'o.

You saw what Collin's ex said. She spent years wondering what was wrong with her. For her, finding out he was gay later was sort of cathartic. I agree, though, gay people shouldn't involves others without their knowledge. It's not fair to them, and it takes away a lot of my sympathy for the gay people who do it.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

If what you say about the difference is true, then the 14th Amendment wouldn't protect against discrimination based on beliefs.

So by this logic I'd be discriminating if I owned a business and chose not to hire somebody for being a neo-nazi, correct?

country sees religious freedom as a sacred right, and they thought so even before they protected race and sexual orientation.

It also sees separation of Church and State as important.

infringing on Christians' rights as much as most of the people you're attacking are infringing on gay people's rights. Calling someone else stupid, misguided, evil, whatever, or saying that their belief system is bad is not an attack on civil rights, so neither or nor vocal anti-gay activists are doing anything wrong.

No, I'm not advocating laws that imply Christians should have to pay 60% more in taxes just for being Christian.

Voting against measures such as marriage is also not violating civil rights. If it were, we wouldn't vote on it in the first place. It's saying that anyone who votes against the legalization of marijuana is violating the pot-smokers' civil rights. We have a democratic process, and most people on both sides are using it.

I personally believe making drug consumption illegal is a violation of civil rights, people should be allowed to do whatever they want with their body.

[NASpurs]

I'm not a fan of a religion that forgives child molesters. In this case, that would be Christianity.

And Christianity is also supposed to forgive all types of sins, so what's your point?

The higherups covering it up is where it's ed up, not so much the forgiving.

[NASpurs]

lol I see what you did there, implying that Jesus is a tool.

you slick wordsmith you

look at this dude twisting words around, how cute

[jag]

I was agreeing with what that post responded to for the of it.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you'll continue to dance around having to find something specific I said that's extreme.

The fact that you've already admitted to being obsessed, obnoxious, condescending and extreme, should speak for itself.

[Trill Clinton]

Where I agree with Trill is not that Jason needed to come out, but just dont get married, engaged or be intimate with women.
If you need an excuse to fit in, if you dont want to be outed ...play the religous card and say you are saving it for marriage ... until you are ready to be out the closet.
Sleeping with a woman for appearance sake while you pillow bitin' on the down low is reprehensible.

[NASpurs]

Blake must have some kind of service that texts his phone when someone starts a religious thread here. ing loser.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

The fact that you've already admitted to being obsessed, obnoxious, condescending and extreme, should speak for itself.

2nd post now where you can't find specific context from me that's extreme. That should speak for itself

[Killakobe81]

One of my closest friends from college is doing that right now. It's pretty funny, in a sad kind of way. I'm waiting how long it takes until he pulls a Te'o.

You saw what Collin's ex said. She spent years wondering what was wrong with her. For her, finding out he was gay later was sort of cathartic. I agree, though, gay people shouldn't involves others without their knowledge. It's not fair to them, and it takes away a lot of my sympathy for the gay people who do it.

But that is part of my point, she probably questioned her looks or her sexual prowess and yes that comes as a relief later but she had to deal with it then.
And yes, I think that is sad for your friend. The few gay guys I played sports with (track & hoops) (As far as I know) all waited for college to come out. Our HS sports teams was pretty phobic ...
Too bad he could not find that support in college ...

So not to keep this all serious since we know at least 10% of most groups has someone LGBT ... how many post here and is anyone BRAVE enough to be the Jason Collins of this forum ...or will they wait until they are no longer an active poster?


Kidding ...

[Blake]

If what you say about the difference is true, then the 14th Amendment wouldn't protect against discrimination based on beliefs. This country sees religious freedom as a sacred right, and they thought so even before they protected race and sexual orientation.

You're infringing on Christians' rights as much as most of the people you're attacking are infringing on gay people's rights. Calling someone else stupid, misguided, evil, whatever, or saying that their belief system is bad is not an attack on civil rights, so neither or nor vocal anti-gay activists are doing anything wrong.

Voting against measures such as marriage is also not violating civil rights. If it were, we wouldn't vote on it in the first place. It's saying that anyone who votes against the legalization of marijuana is violating the pot-smokers' civil rights. We have a democratic process, and most people on both sides are using it.

the cons ution has given us room to trample on basic human rights before. Nothing new.

[DPG21920]

DoK's go to jab of "Well, you can't be Christian AND support gay marriage" is silly. What he is showing through a lack of knowledge (which I am sure if we asked him, he's spent more time watching The Pats play than studying Christianity) is that he doesn't understand the fundamental principal of Christianity. Free will & choice. No where in the bible does it say we should judge others for their choices. It says God will judge them. It also says people have their own free will to believe or not. When you understand that, you can certainly see how one can "support" Gay marriage and still be a Christian.

My job as a Christian is not to judge or harm - that is not my responsibility. My role is to be a good person in accordance to the bible and leave the judging to God. I can support people's rights to make decisions on their own and still respect and care about them while maintaining my values. It's not like I'm donating money to force Gay marriage through. But I firmly believe they should be allowed to get married if they want and support the fact they are fully able to make their own decisions.

I'm not even what you would call a devout Christian (meaning I go to church every week or something like that), but that is what I have learned.

It would be like me saying someone can't be a big defender of Civil Rights while simultaneously calling people be@ners and n*ggers.

[I. Hustle]

I find it hilarious that a person with the name KillaBobe is having a more intelligent conversation than the person named Blake.

Blake: Christian crusades killed people!

Dude, it's 2013. Might as well hate all white people for enslaving blacks, jews and mexicans since you are lumping people together.

Sometimes you sound kind of smart Blake and other times...

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

DoK's go to jab of "Well, you can't be Christian AND support gay marriage" is silly. What he is showing through a lack of knowledge (which I am sure if we asked him, he's spent more time watching The Pats play than studying Christianity) is that he doesn't understand the fundamental principal of Christianity. Free will & choice. No where in the bible does it say we should judge others for their choices. It says God will judge them. It also says people have their own free will to believe or not. When you understand that, you can certainly see how one can "support" Gay marriage and still be a Christian.

My job as a Christian is not to judge or harm - that is not my responsibility. My role is to be a good person in accordance to the bible and leave the judging to God. I can support people's rights to make decisions on their own and still respect and care about them while maintaining my values. It's not like I'm donating money to force Gay marriage through. But I firmly believe they should be allowed to get married if they want and support the fact they are fully able to make their own decisions.

I'm not even what you would call a devout Christian (meaning I go to church every week or something like that), but that is what I have learned.

It would be like me saying someone can't be a big defender of Civil Rights while simultaneously calling people be@ners and n*ggers.

If every Christian held those beliefs, I wouldn't have a problem with Christianity at all and wouldn't care. Unfortunately, most Christians in this country oppose gay marriage. The only reason why there's a sudden change of heart from politicians on the issue is because enough of generation Y can vote now and generation Y is considerably more atheist than any previous religion in America.

[Chinook]

So by this logic I'd be discriminating if I owned a business and chose not to hire somebody for being a neo-nazi, correct?

Yes. Especially if that didn't affect their work. Like if they didn't help minorities costumers or something, then that's one thing. But if they just hate non-Aryans and say nothing about it while at work, then you would be doing something wrong if you discriminated them.

It also sees separation of Church and State as important.

You do realize that the Establishment Clause (AKA the part of the Cons ution that creates the separation) was made protect religion, and not to curtail it, right? Yes, the point of it is to keep the government from telling people what to believe, whether that is a majority religion or an atheistic view. It doesn't say that individuals can't use their religious beliefs when cast votes for initiatives.

No, I'm not advocating laws that imply Christians should have to pay 60% more in taxes just for being Christian.

I bet if you polled Christians you'd see that most of them don't wait to tax gay people more, either.

I personally believe making drug consumption illegal is a violation of civil rights, people should be allowed to do whatever they want with their body.

By definition, it's not a civil right until it gets accepted into government. It's a natural right, perhaps, which is a different story. The reason why the Civil Rights Movement of the 1960s wasn't under the same restriction is because the 14th Amendment had already given black people en lement to the rights they were seeking. Abolition was not a civil-rights struggle, because blacks hadn't yet been given civil rights.

Where this applies to gay marriage is that marriage isn't a natural right, just like voting isn't. So there isn't technically a civil right to be protected yet. We have to grant it by voting for it. If gay marriage were legalized, but some agency failed to recognize it, THEN it would be a denial of civil rights. Simply protesting a change of law is perfectly inline with civil code.

[Woo Bum-kon]

Oh, okay. When God talked about all those people he wanted dead, he didn't mean he wanted his followers to kill them.

When God said to bring unruly children to the edge of town and stone them to death, he actually meant that he would be the one doing the stoning.

When God said to slaughter an entire city and take the young girls as captives, he actually meant that he would destroy the cities and take sex slaves.

It all makes so much sense now.

[Blake]

And Christianity is also supposed to forgive all types of sins, so what's your point?

That I'm not a fan of the religion of christianity.

The higherups covering it up is where it's ed up, not so much the forgiving.

No, you forgiving a child molester is just as ed up as covering it, if not more so.

[Chinook]

the cons ution has given us room to trample on basic human rights before. Nothing new.

I just posted a response to a similar observation. I don't know if DoK's critique is the same as yours, though.

[Blake]

I find it hilarious that a person with the name KillaBobe is having a more intelligent conversation than the person named Blake.

Blake: Christian crusades killed people!

Dude, it's 2013. Might as well hate all white people for enslaving blacks, jews and mexicans since you are lumping people together.

Sometimes you sound kind of smart Blake and other times...

Nobody is born Christian. It's a choice.

You don't sound smart at all here.

[NASpurs]

That I'm not a fan of the religion of christianity.



No, you forgiving a child molester is just as ed up as covering it, if not more so.

So forgiveness is where your problem with Christianity lies?!?! That's a pathetic excuse to hate something.

So who should be despised more, the people who *forgives* the molester or the person who molests?

[Killakobe81]

DoK's go to jab of "Well, you can't be Christian AND support gay marriage" is silly. What he is showing through a lack of knowledge (which I am sure if we asked him, he's spent more time watching The Pats play than studying Christianity) is that he doesn't understand the fundamental principal of Christianity. Free will & choice. No where in the bible does it say we should judge others for their choices. It says God will judge them. It also says people have their own free will to believe or not. When you understand that, you can certainly see how one can "support" Gay marriage and still be a Christian.

My job as a Christian is not to judge or harm - that is not my responsibility. My role is to be a good person in accordance to the bible and leave the judging to God. I can support people's rights to make decisions on their own and still respect and care about them while maintaining my values. It's not like I'm donating money to force Gay marriage through. But I firmly believe they should be allowed to get married if they want and support the fact they are fully able to make their own decisions.

I'm not even what you would call a devout Christian (meaning I go to church every week or something like that), but that is what I have learned.

It would be like me saying someone can't be a big defender of Civil Rights while simultaneously calling people be@ners and n*ggers.

Great post DPG that is why you my huckleberry ...
And I dont pretend to know all of DOK's views on the subject ... but I dont get why people have an issue with DOK's views on SOME Christians thoughts on same sex unions or Broussard's interpretation of the bible.You just said what YOU learned about faith and Christianity, even though my beliefs are closer to yours ... I have HEARD plenty of Christians share views similar to Broussard. and are adamantly against gay rights including marriage. Remember marriage is supposed to be a "holy union" and plenty of christians feel that same sex marriage directly opposes the sanc y of marriage.

The bible has many interpretations. Sevent Day Adventists focus on Sabbath, same book diffrent emphasis. And I have attended many churches I typically go where my women have led me so I have attended Catholic service, Kingdom Hall and Baptist Methodist and non -denominational. Some consider hompsexuality an abomination others are more open.

Tough to paint Christians with a broad stroke tbh ... that is wher I think DOk is a bit misguided but some extremists fit what he says. Again did not read all of his posts ...

[Woo Bum-kon]

http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm

Wow, DPG is so right! Look at all those passages where God didn't tell his followers to kill people! Not once in the Bible, indeed.