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    You can bet your ass the local cons uency drives the Rep's votes on this tho.
    No doubt. Every politician wants to protect their turf. They're not really any different from us average citizens in that regards. Everybody is in favor of somebody else having to give up some their goodies.

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    I am sure its just as simple as a goolge search but do you know or do you have any material on the actual numbers of being serving time for maijuana possession? When I worked in criminal defense, the only people that ever got time where the actual dealers. That was my observation at least, certainly not saying that this was the norm. Most people that had possession usually paid a fine or spent a week in the local municipal jail.
    As far as objective reports this is what I could find:
    http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr...rsons-arrested
    It says marijuana accounts for roughly half the drug related arrests in this country. Doesn't say anything about how much time is being served and I'm too lazy to keep looking, but the taxpayer spends billions on processing/court time/etc. just off all the marijuana arrests alone.

    A fair point. However, I would think the locations of most of those jobs do not conflate. Unless one of those infrastructure projects is planned within 60 miles of the newly unemployed, you basically have a non-starter.
    If the newly unemployed are incapable of finding a private sector job and need taxpayer-funded projects for employment, they can go to where those projects are. AFAIC, they're no different than people who live off the tax payer via government assistance and don't work. The tax payer shouldn't be bending over backwards to accomodate them.

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    "they can go to where those projects are."

    and who pays the relocation expenses? and what if the unemployed is married and the spouse has a job to lose by relocation? your theoretical bull doesn't fly in practice



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    "they can go to where those projects are."

    and who pays the relocation expenses? and what if the unemployed is married and the spouse has a job to lose by relocation? your theoretical bull doesn't fly in practice
    idk why you expect me to have sympathy for them. For years, they've been employed as prison guards this country didn't need and thereby got to avoid having to compete with the other unskilled knuckle draggers in the marketplace. They should be happy they were able to get away with living off the taxpayer for so long, and they should have considered the possibility of what would happen when their unneeded gubbamint job got taken away from them.

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    I'm guessing what boutons would like is for the prisons to remain open, except instead of being used as a prison it's a place where anybody can show up and be paid a "liveable wage" to just hang out.

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    idk why you expect me to have sympathy for them. For years, they've been employed as prison guards this country didn't need and thereby got to avoid having to compete with the other unskilled knuckle draggers in the marketplace. They should be happy they were able to get away with living off the taxpayer for so long, and they should have considered the possibility of what would happen when their unneeded gubbamint job got taken away from them.

    boutons
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    bull

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    I'm guessing what boutons would like is for the prisons to remain open, except instead of being used as a prison it's a place where anybody can show up and be paid a "liveable wage" to just hang out.
    Sounds alot like my office, tbh.

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    As far as objective reports this is what I could find:
    http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr...rsons-arrested
    It says marijuana accounts for roughly half the drug related arrests in this country. Doesn't say anything about how much time is being served and I'm too lazy to keep looking, but the taxpayer spends billions on processing/court time/etc. just off all the marijuana arrests alone.
    Good link. I searched but could not find if the drug abuse violations included driving under the influence of drugs. I agree though, unless there is another crime being committed I think they waste too many resources that could be used in other places for arrests. If there is not a public safety concern, I would want law enforcement to leave an individual alone.

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    Sounds alot like my office, tbh.
    Souds like me since the playoffs started. I have been having a tough time staying motivated to get work done. Even stranger is that I spend more time in the Spurs forum but I only ever post in here.

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    TDCJ has a problem with prison undercrowding. Who knew? I sure didn't. It's absolutely ridiculous that there's a fight about closing prisons we don't need when there are so many other areas such as education, roads and water that legitimately need some extra bucks thrown their way.
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    Wasteful Spending: Government spending in someone else’s district.
    Economic Stimulus: Government spending in my district.


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    Buncha hypocritical wads who get into power and realize the governments actually *do* things that are worthwhile.

    I loved the way the Republicans in congress are whining about the FAA's furloughs of air traffic controllers. "You didn't tell us you were going to do this" GMAFB, they have been sayign what would happen for months, and now Republi s in congress are shocked, shocked, that cutting government services might have (gasp) real world effects.

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    In its version of the budget, the Senate directed prison officials to close the Mineral Wells Pre-Parole Transfer Facility and the Dawson State Jail in Dallas. That would close 3,500 prison beds, at a time when state prisons are running short of convicts thanks to treatment and rehabilitation programs that were beefed up starting six years ago.
    Being "soft" on crime is fiscally responsible. Who knew?

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    A plea to Texas budget conferees: Close two prison units, don't buy empty cells we don't need

    This is a plea to the ten conference committee members on the budget from both chambers of the Texas Legislature, who for the record are:

    • House: Pitts, Crownover, Otto, S. Turner, Zerwas
    • Senate: Williams, Duncan, Hinojosa, Nelson, Whitmire

    Let's talk for a moment about prisons. First the House and Senate have both agreed in the base budget to fund 5% employee raises for correctional workers. Please don't start slashing at those wage hikes to pay for prison units you don't need. Including the extra money to bail out Jones County, the House decision to buy a prison instead of closing two will cost Texans an extra $116.8 million in incarceration costs over the biennium for those line items compared to the Senate budget. Close the privately-run Dawson State Jail and Mineral Wells pre-parole units as suggested by Senate-side budget writers and tell the folks in Jones County they're on their own, just like so many other counties that built speculative prisons and jails they now can't fill.

    Also, know up front that you have likely underfunded prison healthcare by around $50 million or so and will need to come back and fund it with a supplemental on the back end like the Lege did this year. TDCJ/UTMB, et al., have told the Lege what it will cost to provide care to prisoners but even the more generous Senate version of the budget is $55 million shy of the requested amount. Why not just budget what the health care actually costs instead of paying tens of millions on the back end as though it's some big surprise or "emergency?" Incarcerating felons is a core function of state government. Budget what it costs.

    Members on the House side, given that your chamber suggested paying for employee raises as well as three extra prison units, you could agree to prison closures, increase prison health care funding to the requested amount, and still call the result a "savings." That would be the truly "fiscal conservative" approach: Reduce spending where feasible but pay your bills in full.

    To Senators, each of you has been around long enough to see TDCJ require "supplemental" funds for health care at the beginning of each session year after year. Why intentionally underfund that line item and perpetuate the cycle?

    With the two chambers in disagreement on prison closures, it's your decision. Texas made history and received national attention for closing the Central Unit. Grits urges you to follow Chairman Whitmire's lead, double down on that success and close two more. The state doesn't need them and the money is better spent on employee raises, prisoner healthcare, and probation programming.

    MORE: A couple of different sites are calling for people to contact conference committee members telling them to close two prisons and don't buy another one, see here and here.

    AND MORE: From the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, "Texas shouldn't keep spending on unneeded prisons."
    http://gritsforbreakfast.blogspot.co....html?spref=fb

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    Every Legislator Dictionary:

    Wasteful Spending: Government spending in someone else’s district.
    Economic Stimulus: Government spending in my district.
    FIFY.

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    Good read. Thanks for finding.

    Close the privately-run Dawson State Jail and Mineral Wells pre-parole units as suggested by Senate-side budget writers and tell the folks in Jones County they're on their own, just like so many other counties that built speculative prisons and jails they now can't fill.
    Confessing that I'm normally not a regular follower of correctional news, I was originally okay with the idea of buying the Jones County unit. This changed my mind though. I wasn't aware that build spec prisons had become a common practice. It certainly doesn't need to be encouraged.

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    Granted. "EVERY".

    Funny the way the radicals, when suddenly confronted by real problems and not ready-made propaganda points, reach the conclusion that their own ideology is stupid in practice.

    Not that you could get any of them to admit that.

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