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    If I remember correctly it came down to keeping Perkins (Or was it Ibaka) or Harden, but not both.

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    I am still backing Presti's trade.
    The only argument against is that he could have traded Westbrook.
    More difficult to do.

    Anyway, Westbrook playing, this was sweep.
    Harden hurt, this was a sweep worst than the SA-Lakers series.
    Long term, I still like OKC chances for a le with Durant, better than Houston' with Harden.

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    I prefer freedom of the press where the media can question why Splitter sat on the bench until game 4 vs Randolph and Gasol instead of the frightened impostors in SA afraid of asking real questions. Don't think Brook has done enough to warrant getting fired - he's not responsible for Westbrook's injury. To change mid-series after playing a certain way for years is difficult to do. Presti needs to send Ibaka to Hakeem every summer to learn some post moves so he can create his own shot.
    To me, having frightened the impostors is one of the reasons Pop has created such a successful realm in SA.

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    Never going to happen. At least not until the team wins a championship or two.
    I remember reading that Pop was pretty bullish with some journalist in the SA press well before winning anything.

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    I am still backing Presti's trade.
    The only argument against is that he could have traded Westbrook.
    There were plenty of other options. The gap between Harden and OKC was a total of 6 million dollars spread over four seasons. Saving 1.5 million dollars per year did not require trading Harden.

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    I remember reading that Pop was pretty bullish with some journalist in the SA press well before winning anything.
    He was. There are other factors besides the success of the team that allowed Pop to create the relationship he has with SA press that Presti probably won't be able to match in OKC even after a couple of championships. The cir stances of their arrival in OKC and the explosion of the blogosphere, to name just a couple.

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    you are incredibly racist.
    I am not racist. I watch Oprah on a color TV.

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    There were plenty of other options. The gap between Harden and OKC was a total of 6 million dollars spread over four seasons. Saving 1.5 million dollars per year did not require trading Harden.
    So you think OKC could have afforded Durant, Westbrook, Ibaka AND Harden, all making 12-21 M/year for the next 4 years?
    And Perkins at 8-9 M on top?
    Lakers, but OKC?
    Presti had to pick 3, in the long term.
    Personally, I would have sent Westbrook, but I admit have a strong bias for manuesque players, and against low BB IQ point guards.
    The irony is that they have this Jackson kid who is a very good prospect at PG, and he would be even better next to Harden.

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    So you think OKC could have afforded Durant, Westbrook, Ibaka AND Harden, all making 12-21 M/year for the next 4 years?
    And Perkins at 8-9 M on top?
    No. I said as much before the trade was even a rumor, at the time of the trade, and in this thread. You said "The only argument against is that he could have traded Westbrook". Judging by your more recent post, you agree with me that other options were available.

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    Maybe no one wanted westbrick to start with. Jus sayin

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    I would have found any way possible to get rid of Ibaka or Perkins in the interest of keeping Durant-Westbrook-Harden intact.

    Damn glad he didn't do it though

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    What I wont understand is that they basically traded harden for 3 picks because kevin martin is an FA at the end of this year anyway. They traded away a chance at a championship in 2013 for a chance at a championship somewhere down the road.

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    I would have found any way possible to get rid of Ibaka or Perkins in the interest of keeping Durant-Westbrook-Harden intact
    This. Who needs expensive bigs these days anyway? Look what the Heat did with Birdman. Durant-Westbrook-Harden would have been a West shoo-in for years.

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    I disagree, where do you find a good, tall, athletic, young shot blocker these days?
    Im not saying that Presti was right with these moves but keeping big men on the roster sounds logic, to say the least

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    Monkeyball - Low IQ style of basketball involving an over reliance on physical attributes and dunk shots to play the game. Examples of monkeyballers: DeAndre Jordan, Dwight Howard, Blake Griffin, Russell Westbrook (It doesn't help that Westbrook does have ape-ish facial features)
    Old school, white, monkeyball...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDyBSTQDwH8

    ... in a good way.
    Is

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    I would have found any way possible to get rid of Ibaka or Perkins in the interest of keeping Durant-Westbrook-Harden intact.

    Damn glad he didn't do it though
    All they had to do was sign Harden.

    Ibaka and Harden were both eligible for extensions this past summer. Ibaka was extended, Harden was traded.

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    Doesn't seem so smart without Harden and Westbrook.

    ABSOLUTELY.

    SBrooks is like Spoelstra. Merely the beneficiary of great players. He had BETTER win.

    I think it will go 7 games, but that Nazi Stern will want KDurrant to rematch the '12-'13 NBA Champs Our very own Spurs in which San Antonio will go 4-1, or 4-2 on the floundering Thundah.

    TImmy Gets # 5.

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    Old school, white, monkeyball...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDyBSTQDwH8

    ... in a good way.
    Is
    Good monkeyball example. Lucky it wasn't a foul.

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    The Harden trade was one of the worst of all time, but as far as Scott Brooks goes, it just makes it all the more painful that Pop got out coached by this buffoon last year. It took him 4 games to adjust to their defensive scheme and then the refs made sure that was too late in Game 6.

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    All they had to do was sign Harden.

    Ibaka and Harden were both eligible for extensions this past summer. Ibaka was extended, Harden was traded.
    Yeah he chose poorly in my opinion. You can draft or sign a defensive big to go along with that 3 some. With those 3 commanding the ball you don't need a star or budding star big man. All you need is solid defensive role playing big men who can move and clean up the glass. I know those dont grow on trees, but they're a of a lot easier to find than a clutch scoring/distributing playmaker the caliber of Harden.

    How Presti watched what Harden did in the 4th quarters in last years playoffs and still got rid of him is beyond me.

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    The Harden trade was one of the worst of all time, but as far as Scott Brooks goes, it just makes it all the more painful that Pop got out coached by this buffoon last year. It took him 4 games to adjust to their defensive scheme and then the refs made sure that was too late in Game 6.

    Pop wasn't out-coached. Thunder, along with some pretty creative officiating, made some of the most impractical and unlikely shots that they just couldn't duplicate in the Finals. Thunder are hobbling with the loss of their ball-hog of a PG in Westbrick.

    Thunder will be fortunate to get past the Clippers in the Semi's.

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    The Harden trade was one of the worst of all time, but as far as Scott Brooks goes, it just makes it all the more painful that Pop got out coached by this buffoon last year. It took him 4 games to adjust to their defensive scheme and then the refs made sure that was too late in Game 6.
    Exactly. If GS wins, believe mark Jackson is gonna go big with thompson and trap Parker. This is where we'll see if Pop has come up with some adjustment to counter. Spurs should still beat GS, but I wanna see an adjustment.

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    This will be forgotten or overlooked but it is the truth;

    The OKC/Rockets series was won by the refs the last game when OKC was in the bonus with 9 min left in the 1ST QTR!!!!

    Putting OKC in a 3-0 lead which was too much to overcome. People will say why do you watch if you think it is rigged blah-blah...but this is how it is done.

    I'd be thrilled if the rockets come back but I suspect that if it gets too uncomfortable for Methlahoma - that the refs will turn the tide again...

    Just watch.
    Last edited by silverblk mystix; 05-02-2013 at 07:15 PM.

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    Crazy how they had Jeff Green also. Traded him for Perkins. Imagine that starting 5. Westbrook, Harden, Green, Ibaka, Durant.

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    Pop wasn't out-coached. Thunder, along with some pretty creative officiating, made some of the most impractical and unlikely shots that they just couldn't duplicate in the Finals. Thunder are hobbling with the loss of their ball-hog of a PG in Westbrick.

    Thunder will be fortunate to get past the Clippers in the Semi's.
    Clippers are getting eliminated tonight... they'll have to play Memphis.

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