Rise of the conservative revolutionaries

[TeyshaBlue]

For such a serious question, it seems to be remarkably malformed.

It's a problem. Extremism, in and of itself is not necessarily a problem. But the subjective characteristics that make up or define extremism is fairly plastic. That's a problem.

Also, was there ever a delineator between extremism and terrorism?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Easily countered itself:

Sheer fatalities is an inadequate metric.

Since 9/11 we have become MUCH more aware of the problem, both from domestic terrorists and the muslim nutters.

The fact that the body count is less today owes less to the sheer nuttiness of the current political climate, and more to the vastly increased effectiveness of law enforcement in preventing such things, don't you agree?

I neither agree nor disagree. 'Problem' and 'worse' are relative subjective terms. Militia groups are no longer carrying out large scale attacks. The guys here were making pipe bombs and had a collection of AK's. It's like asking whether or not Arabin Muslim terrorism is more of a problem today that it was 12 years ago. International intelligence and counter terrorism is also better now but I could argue that after bombing the region for the past 12 years has 'radicalized' a lot of jihadist types.

In the above, i has more to do with the scope of what they did. When it comes down to it, your case as to it being worse now is anecdotal as well. We're not even comparing the number of newspaper headlines. We're just doing the "yes, there are," "no there isn't."

Now one thing I will say is there are many more of the 'common man' that spout off about "we need a revolution by armed insurrection" but I don't know that they have organized. I definitely see the potential for many more problems in the years to come. Our representative government is becoming less and less representative. When the social contract is breached, people tend to get mad.

[TeyshaBlue]

Does not conform to pre-existing, right-wing extremist narrative.

-10 yards + loss of down.

[boutons_deux]

the less white supremacists, sovereign assholes, Oath Keeprs, Promise Keepers, Holders, right-wing extremists, tea bagger super patriot marans, NRA suckers are truly less, since they all talk real big and tough, but never do anything.

lessness personified. All Talk, No Walk.

after Ruby Ridge, Waco, the Philadelphia Black Panter MOVE bombing, they know they would "water the tree of liberty" only with their own blood and nobody else's.

[TeyshaBlue]

boutons is all about the .

[RandomGuy]

For such a serious question, it seems to be remarkably malformed.

It's a problem. Extremism, in and of itself is not necessarily a problem. But the subjective characteristics that make up or define extremism is fairly plastic. That's a problem.

I would disagree. Extremism in and of itself *is* a problem. I find it hard to fathom a case where it would not be.

It seems to me that extremism of any kind tends to be either symptomatic or causal of the sort of thinking that leads to really irrational outcomes. Either way such thinking tends to be less and less associated with reality and truth, and therefore, harmful. Do you agree? Or can you think of a case where extremism isn't a problem?

[TeyshaBlue]

I would disagree. Extremism in and of itself *is* a problem. I find it hard to fathom a case where it would not be.

It seems to me that extremism of any kind tends to be either symptomatic or causal of the sort of thinking that leads to really irrational outcomes. Either way such thinking tends to be less and less associated with reality and truth, and therefore, harmful. Do you agree? Or can you think of a case where extremism isn't a problem?

Once again, it completely depends upon your definition of extremism. Off the top of my head tho, the American revolution seems to have worked out pretty well.

[RandomGuy]

I neither agree nor disagree. 'Problem' and 'worse' are relative subjective terms. Militia groups are no longer carrying out large scale attacks.

Such things take time to develop. The recent upswing in activity strongly suggests more attacks and plots will be in the offing in the coming years, as the groups coalesce and start to self-rationalize their violent behavior.

While only a vanishingly small portion will ever do anything or even talk about doing something violent, the sheer numbers of people means that the odds are increasing. i.e. if only 1 in a 100,000 go so far, the number of people that might do something is expoentially higher when you are talking about drawing from 10,000,000M people versus 100,000.

[boutons_deux]

"define extremism is fairly plastic"

like pornography, I know extremism when I see it, most moderate people can. right-wing extremism IS A PROBLEM, MUCH than Muslim extremism.

[TeyshaBlue]

And I think your narrative that extremism leads to irrational outcomes, the implication of which is the exclusive outcome, is disingenuous at best or a product of your particular biases at worst.

[TeyshaBlue]

"define extremism is fairly plastic"

like pornography, I know extremism when I see it, most moderate people can. right-wing extremism IS A PROBLEM, MUCH than Muslim extremism.

lol comprehension fail.

Nobody is saying it's not a problem. The magnitude is a product of completely subjective criteria.

[TeyshaBlue]

There needs to be some data points between sheer nuttiness and vastly increased effectiveness. I'm not seeing any to back up this correlative statement.

[TeyshaBlue]

lol comprehension fail.

Nobody is saying it's not a problem. The magnitude is a product of completely subjective criteria.

The idiotic poll in the OP is a good illustrator of this.

[RandomGuy]

There needs to be some data points between sheer nuttiness and vastly increased effectiveness. I'm not seeing any to back up this correlative statement.

Violence by far right is among US’s most dangerous terrorist threats, study finds
This article is more than 4 months old
Center for Strategic and International Studies analysis of domestic terrorist incidents found majority have come from far right

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...hreat-analysis

[RandomGuy]

There needs to be some data points between sheer nuttiness and vastly increased effectiveness. I'm not seeing any to back up this correlative statement.

A new database of domestic terror incidents shows attacks by far-right extremists have become far more lethal since Donald Trump became president.

Domestic Terror in the Age of Trump
https://www.typeinvestigations.org/i...-age-of-trump/

.. and there we go.