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    But...but...+/-...and RAPM numbers....

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    ^ barnes can shoot over parker and make em at a high clip

    parker on jack i dont mind, you live with those contested mid range js by jack, nobody misses mid range js against the spurs tho it seems

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    Thompson is probably the best defender for the warriors this series

    Thompson is eating all our guards alive. It's not even funny. Too bad Stephen Jackson was waived
    Thompson has shot horribly when he's had to create his own shot, tbh..

    Most of his points have been on jump shots off the pass and many have been wide open..that's the team defense, just as much as any individual defender..

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    Thompson is probably the best defender for the warriors this series

    Thompson is eating all our guards alive. It's not even funny. Too bad Stephen Jackson was waived
    true, he's slowing down parker significantly and making him work too hard on offense, and when tp has to guard barnes/thompson, he doesnt have anything left on offense

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    Parker doesn't need help.

    Thompson/Barnes post ups >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Curry breaking down the defense.

    Why Pop hasn't realized this through 2 games is mind boggling tbh.

    Absolutely no reason to send help, let alone send it on the catch.

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    Yeah..texted my boy that they abusing parker every time. This is one thing i always criticize pop about. Sometimes you have throw the system out the window and exploit mismatches.

    They abuse parker every time, yet pop let's them get away playing two little guys like Jack and curry together.

    Punish them down low and force them to make a change.

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    Thompson is a very good defensive player. He was their defensive stopper this year. Only a re who hasnt watched GS this season would keep referring to him as big and slow. He's 6'7", long and very quick. I think he's actually a better defender than Sefolosha because he's craftier and smarter than Sefolosha, while being just as athletic.

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    Thompson is a very good defensive player. He was their defensive stopper this year. Only a re who hasnt watched GS this season would keep referring to him as big and slow. He's 6'7", long and very quick. I think he's actually a better defender than Sefolosha because he's craftier and smarter than Sefolosha, while being just as athletic.
    no.

    but yes he's a very good defender and has made tp spent a lot of energy on offense

    The key to GSW being this good is Bogut, he's legit down there

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    Thompson/Barnes post ups >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Curry breaking down the defense.
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    Thompson is a very good defensive player. He was their defensive stopper this year. Only a re who hasnt watched GS this season would keep referring to him as big and slow. He's 6'7", long and very quick. I think he's actually a better defender than Sefolosha because he's craftier and smarter than Sefolosha, while being just as athletic.
    Im not saying hes Steve Nash or that hes a slow footed but hes not a defensive stopper by any means, and he definitely shouldnt be able to stay in front of Tony or neutralize him as easily as he has. at him being better than Sefolosha.

    Parker doesn't need help.

    Thompson/Barnes post ups >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Curry breaking down the defense.

    Why Pop hasn't realized this through 2 games is mind boggling tbh.

    Absolutely no reason to send help, let alone send it on the catch.


    ?

    Pop didnt send help several times, and the Parker got burned each and every time. Thats why you have some people calling for Pop to help out Parker during the mismatches...there hasnt been much success with either strategy. Parker has to be able to guard someone, anyone or else the Spurs defense doesnt stand a chance.

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    could bruce stop klay or steph? what do you guys think?
    He rotated on to Kobe and Billups man, of course he would do alot better! Are you serious? He could make them frustrated beyond belief!

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    If by fine you mean he got abused by him then yeah I guess he guarded Jack fine. Uh do you have any idea why Parker isnt on guarding someone his own size? Probably because Curry would go for 50 the way hes defending this series. Why doesnt Parker take advantage of his speed when the taller, slower Thompson is guarding him on the other end?
    My man, there's a difference between a guy scoring 20 with wide open shots and layups, and a guy getting 20 with a guy in front of him with a hand in his face all night and having to work at it. Jack may have scored that way, but it will not continue every single night as if he was wide open.

    Parker's defense isn't the best it's ever been, but it hasn't been terrible. They are going at him a lot to wear him down so his offense suffers. Have seen that tactic many times before throughout other series involving star players. The real problem is the broken rotations and ill-advised double teams on jumpshooters who rarely drive without a head of steam first (or lack of doubling when he's getting posted), and the lack of interior presence to help Duncan on both ends. Not to mention the terrible offensive consistency by everyone on the team not named Tim Duncan.

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    Interesting enough, usually everyone and their mom on Spurstalk brags about how Parker is a "good underrated defender."

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    Joseph has to be paired up with Jack, he did small job but better than parker on him.

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    Because he has to guard somebody not named Bogut. And whenever Pop tries to hide him on Barnes, Jackson posts Barnes. Whenever Pop tells him to guard Curry, Jackson calls a Curry play. Whenever Pop hides him on Jack, Jackson calls Jack number. They're targeting him for the fact of what you described above: he can't guard any of those guys, and there's no one else to hide him on. It's a mismatch and Jackson is going non-stop at it.
    With all due respect, I don't think that Jackson is calling plays on Tony's guy because Tony can't guard any of them; he is calling plays on those guys to keep Tony playing so hard on defense he has nothing left on offense. Jackson knows that Tony is our best shooter; to the extent that he has to play against the ball handler every single time down court, he is going to be less effective and have less energy on the other end where he really hurts GS.

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    My man, there's a difference between a guy scoring 20 with wide open shots and layups, and a guy getting 20 with a guy in front of him with a hand in his face all night and having to work at it. Jack may have scored that way, but it will not continue every single night as if he was wide open.

    Parker's defense isn't the best it's ever been, but it hasn't been terrible. They are going at him a lot to wear him down so his offense suffers. Have seen that tactic many times before throughout other series involving star players. The real problem is the broken rotations and ill-advised double teams on jumpshooters who rarely drive without a head of steam first (or lack of doubling when he's getting posted), and the lack of interior presence to help Duncan on both ends. Not to mention the terrible offensive consistency by everyone on the team not named Tim Duncan.
    This.


    This forum has a 'pile-on' mentality that is not exactly unbiased or overly objective in its assessment of games by players, Virtually everyone who trashes Parker on this forum has another Spur who is their favorite, whether Tim or Manu or Leonard. When a team loses, it normally is as a team, but on this forum, it is normally because of Parker.

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    GS is taking advantage of a significant mismatch, no doubt
    Out of the fact that OP is clueless in most of his comments, this part of the serie is obviously key.

    TP is going to be posted up every time by a 6'7 dude, he has not the physical tool to contest that play (and at the idea that he is quick and can bother Thompson like Thompson is TMac slow). Let Parker Defend Curry / Jack this is where he has the most chance to be successful and he did an ok job tonight against Curry tonight.

    So our stuff is to play big so play big and don't try to match small, they are better than us
    Slow down the ing pace, they are better than us at running
    Stay with the shooters, don't double team scrubs
    Let TP on Curry / Jack when both of the floor throw Leonard at Curry
    Be physical for christ sake, if they want to lay up the out of us they have to pay the price
    No more Neal and Bonner
    Limit Manu's minute, I rather have 15/20 mn of 100% Manu than 30 mn of 70% on both side of the floor
    Make Curry work on D, he needs to D parker as much as possible try to make GS switch to get there. Curry on Green is certain death for us cauz he doesn't to work his ass off on a spot up shooter

    Obviously TP needs to play better in that serie for Spurs to have a chance, Spurs need his fourth quarter aggression the whole game.

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    Problem is not Tony, it's our team defense that is leaving the two best shooters in the league WIDE OPEN over and over and over.

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    I was looking at DefRtg of the team, against GS TP allowed 104 points per 100 possessions, Manu is at 102 and Neal at 100 (). Leonard is at 107, Green at 111 same as Duncan, Bonner at 133 (at least no surprise there). Our D sucks.

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    Parker's defense is fine. Curry is just really good. Thompson and Barnes are much taller. Sometimes you just gotta give proprs to the other team. Best bet at this point is to hide Parker on Barnes. Let the Warriors go to him on every position. I'd rather lose with him scoring 50 than the other guys.
    I'm with you. Parker is playing defense. He has never been known to be some lock down defender. But all of a sudden you folks want him to be. I dont understand some of you. Be upset at Ginobili if anybody. He cant do to much of . At least Tony is tryna be aggressive an getting some kinda buckets.

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    why why WHY are we talking about defense? Yes it was bad, sure, but thhis team just has too many weapons to hold under 100+ ppg, PERIOD. Best thing to do is try to make Barnes/Jack beat us, but Curry and Thomson WILL ALWAYS get theirs.

    The actual problem is scoring, as in, how the do we miss so many layups and open threes???

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    Interesting enough, usually everyone and their mom on Spurstalk brags about how Parker is a "good underrated defender."
    Product of timvps grades imo. Underrated member of the CoP.

    Problem is not Tony, it's our team defense that is leaving the two best shooters in the league WIDE OPEN over and over and over.
    The defense has collectively been bad for the most part but look at the 2nd half of Game 2. The Spurs actually played pretty good D and they were scoring on the other end prompting a semi comeback. Once it got down to single digits Jackson simply went right at Parker, whether he was guarding Jack or Barnes of Klay. Parkers defense was the weak link in an otherwise solid defensive second half.

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    My man, there's a difference between a guy scoring 20 with wide open shots and layups, and a guy getting 20 with a guy in front of him with a hand in his face all night and having to work at it. Jack may have scored that way, but it will not continue every single night as if he was wide open.

    Parker's defense isn't the best it's ever been, but it hasn't been terrible. They are going at him a lot to wear him down so his offense suffers. Have seen that tactic many times before throughout other series involving star players. The real problem is the broken rotations and ill-advised double teams on jumpshooters who rarely drive without a head of steam first (or lack of doubling when he's getting posted), and the lack of interior presence to help Duncan on both ends. Not to mention the terrible offensive consistency by everyone on the team not named Tim Duncan.
    Doggie you act like Parker was draped all over Jack. For the most part Jack got what he wanted and was rarely bothered on his little step back. Bonner is normally in front of his man with his hands straight up in the air but that doesnt mean the offensive players shot is being bothered. Parkers D is no different.

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    This.


    This forum has a 'pile-on' mentality that is not exactly unbiased or overly objective in its assessment of games by players, Virtually everyone who trashes Parker on this forum has another Spur who is their favorite, whether Tim or Manu or Leonard. When a team loses, it normally is as a team, but on this forum, it is normally because of Parker.
    Yeah man, I don't get why people are doing that. Our team is in trouble, there's no question about that. . .but Parker is not near the top of the priority list on stuff I would fix. Some people here expect he should be able to guard guys half a foot taller than him.

    Doggie you act like Parker was draped all over Jack. For the most part Jack got what he wanted and was rarely bothered on his little step back. Bonner is normally in front of his man with his hands straight up in the air but that doesnt mean the offensive players shot is being bothered. Parkers D is no different.
    I didn't say he was draped all over Jack, I was providing an example of how the way in which a guy gets his numbers matters more than the numbers themselves. They're more of an indicator of the numbers they will put up in the future. Parker wasn't leaving Jack wide open, he was playing him fairly well. Sometimes guys just hit. It happens.

    As for the hands up thing, that's how the Spurs usually play defense. They're trying to play D without fouling. It isn't like they're stacked with athleticism and size and can play athletic defense like the Grizzlies and Bulls. Hate to say it, but Parker needs to conserve his energy when on defense because barely anyone else on the team can handle the ball anymore. Manu has declined so much that he is unreliable now. Parker should only be just staying in front of people and forcing them to take somewhat contested 18-20 footers. Not trying to get blocks or some and wearing himself out so he goes 5-20 every night.

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    I didn't say he was draped all over Jack, I was providing an example of how the way in which a guy gets his numbers matters more than the numbers themselves. They're more of an indicator of the numbers they will put up in the future. Parker wasn't leaving Jack wide open, he was playing him fairly well. Sometimes guys just hit. It happens.

    As for the hands up thing, that's how the Spurs usually play defense. They're trying to play D without fouling. It isn't like they're stacked with athleticism and size and can play athletic defense like the Grizzlies and Bulls. Hate to say it, but Parker needs to conserve his energy when on defense because barely anyone else on the team can handle the ball anymore. Manu has declined so much that he is unreliable now. Parker should only be just staying in front of people and forcing them to take somewhat contested 18-20 footers. Not trying to get blocks or some and wearing himself out so he goes 5-20 every night.
    What? First off its not like hes doing much on offense, hes disappearing on that side for long periods at a time. Apparently hes struggling to use his speed advantage over the same guy that easily uses his size advantage on the other end (Thompson). Secondly, no he shouldnt be doing that in the 4th quarter when the Spurs are trying to mount a comeback...go look at the tape, once the Spurs got within single digits Mark Jackson went right at Parker. Thats how they held the Spurs off, basically by trading baskets down the stretch.

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