daaaaamn, student goes off on teacher| was he right or wrong?

[CuckingFunt]

Please, explain to me the value in the time schools spend on Haiku poetry. I'm anxious to hear why it's important to learn about Jap poetry.

I'm not going to defend a point I didn't make.

If you combine the time spent on poetry during all 4 years of HS it's easily 1 year.

I've also never made the point that the amount of time currently spent on poetry or on drilling reading comprehension is appropriate. I have stated the opposite. But that alone doesn't justify cutting the English requirements when there are still so many English/grammar/writing fundamentals that kids don't know when they graduate high school.

[Avante]

Hmmmmm?

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Of course, people should learn basic numerical skills: decimals, ratios and estimating, sharpened by a good grounding in arithmetic. But a definitive analysis by the Georgetown Center on Education and the Workforce forecasts that in the decade ahead a mere 5 percent of entry-level workers will need to be proficient in algebra or above. And if there is a shortage of STEM graduates, an equally crucial issue is how many available positions there are for men and women with these skills. A January 2012 analysis from the Georgetown center found 7.5 percent unemployment for engineering graduates and 8.2 percent among computer scientists.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

That multiplication table i deal with every day, it's like how do you not know what 9x8 is

Who gives a what knowing 9x8 is when you can analyze why a simile was used as oppose to a metaphor.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I'm not going to defend a point I didn't make.



I've also never made the point that the amount of time currently spent on poetry or on drilling reading comprehension is appropriate. I have stated the opposite. But that alone doesn't justify cutting the English requirements when there are still so many English/grammar/writing fundamentals that kids don't know when they graduate high school.

If poetry/reading comprehension is what's currently being taught, then it does justify cutting English requirements. What should be taught in English classes is a separate issue.

[CuckingFunt]

Agreed completely which is why I say a bigger emphasis needs to be placed on it.

I shouldn't say I hate the fact people blow at math since the result of it is me getting multiple job offers that people who spend 4 years of college studying poetry about Emily enson's bloody tampon's would kill for

For example, I'm not advocating high school students spend months analyzing inson's poetry or its relationship to her menstrual cycle, but I think there's something fundamentally wrong when a college student (graduate? can't remember if you've finished or are still in school) uses an apostrophe to pluralize a noun.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

For example, I'm not advocating high school students spend months analyzing inson's poetry or its relationship to her menstrual cycle, but I think there's something fundamentally wrong when a college student (graduate? can't remember if you've finished or are still in school) uses an apostrophe to pluralize a noun.

Yeah sorry I don't care about my grammar when I'm posting on a message board as I'm drinking and about to go out for the night. That totally proves your point.

grammar smack

[CuckingFunt]

If poetry/reading comprehension is what's currently being taught, then it does justify cutting English requirements. What should be taught in English classes is a separate issue.

No. It justifies/encourages teaching English more diversely and more effectively. Not teaching less of it.

Your argument for the dumbing down of English education is exactly the same (and exactly as flawed) as the arguments being made for the dumbing down of math education that you have been mocking. The only difference is that you personally value one thing over the other.

[Latarian Milton]

what else do you expect a JEW to say?

[CuckingFunt]

what else do you expect a JEW to say?

L'chaim?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

No. It justifies/encourages teaching English more diversely and more effectively. Not teaching less of it.

Your argument for the dumbing down of English education is exactly the same (and exactly as flawed) as the arguments being made for the dumbing down of math education that you have been mocking. The only difference is that you personally value one thing over the other.

1) Employers across America value one thing over the other. It's not a personal thing. People from China and India don't get imported because of their writing skills, they get imported because American students blow at math. I know there's more things about education than preparing people for the real world, but right now the problem is high schools don't do nearly enough to prepare people for the real world.

2) My argument is that there's no point in 4 years of poetry analysis/reading comprehension being required. What English classes COULD be teaching is irrelevant because poetry/reading comprehension is what lazy forbrains English teachers feel like teaching these days.

[Latarian Milton]

the current education system might be a scam as a whole, but if one major exists, there must be a reason imho. everyone has the right to choose the major he likes best and just because you're a fan of or extremely talented in some subject (like math) it doesn't mean that's the best major for everyone. im not sure whether the world would've been a better place to live in now if the great historical figures had all become economists or scientists, at the expense of those great writers and thinkers such as hemingway and mark twain

[CuckingFunt]

Yeah sorry I don't care about my grammar when I'm posting on a message board as I'm drinking and about to go out for the night. That totally proves your point.

grammar smack

It shows that use of improper grammar looks foolish. Which shows that a fundamental understanding of basic grammar/writing skills are important to anyone who has to communicate verbally or in writing. Which is everyone.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

It shows that use of improper grammar looks foolish. Which shows that a fundamental understanding of basic grammar/writing skills are important to anyone who has to communicate verbally or in writing. Which is everyone.

It shows I don't care about writing properly on a message board. Sorry I don't take my communications on this site more seriously.

[Latarian Milton]

if you only take education as something that lands you a decent job, then it might be meaningless for you to study stuffs like art, history, literature etc... but education has wider meanings than just than imho. knowledge can enrich your life and make you feel mentally satisfied even w/o too much $. you might earn above-average salary w/ a finance degree something but you never become the richest 100 in the world right? if it's useless to study art or literature in college then why do you watch NBA games? s are "useless" too imho.

people need food to live, but they don't live for food imho

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

if you only take education as something that lands you a decent job, then it might be meaningless for you to study stuffs like art, history, literature etc... but education has wider meanings than just than imho. knowledge can enrich your life and make you feel mentally satisfied even w/o too much $. you might earn above-average salary w/ a finance degree something but you never become the richest 100 in the world right? if it's useless to study art or literature in college then why do you watch NBA games? s are "useless" too imho.

people need food to live, but they don't live for food imho

Going to school for the "experience" is simply a luxury people my age don't have. Our parents had it but we don't. That's just all there is to it, it sucks but it's reality. Given the state of the economy you need to think about jobs after college.

[Latarian Milton]

plus, the development of computer technology will only reduce the demand of mathematic skills, while on the other hand, people's need for entertainment will increase. not say everyone will become a talkshow host or a ghost writer in the next 10 or 20 years but some good skills in writing will do a world of good to your life, and such skills will not fade, instead will only get better and better as your age increases (unlike those software/engineering/math skills).

i was pretty damn good at math & physics when i was in hs and i took as my major for my college years, but i've changed to a literature major for grad school so i guess im the only one here who have majored in both areas, hence i can make an unbiased assessment on this issue from an objective perspective imho

[CuckingFunt]

1) Employers across America value one thing over the other. It's not a personal thing. People from China and India don't get imported because of their writing skills, they get imported because American students blow at math. I know there's more things about education than preparing people for the real world, but right now the problem is high schools don't do nearly enough to prepare people for the real world.

It's still a personal value. I live in the same world that you do, I'm forced to navigate the same job market, yet I value math and English education equally.

2) My argument is that there's no point in 4 years of poetry analysis/reading comprehension being required. What English classes COULD be teaching is irrelevant because poetry/reading comprehension is what lazy forbrains English teachers feel like teaching these days.

English teachers don't set their own criteria. If English teachers are focusing exclusively on reading comprehension/textual analysis throughout all four years of high school, that's because that is what is required of them by their school/district and likely the standardized tests to which they're forced to adhere. If an English teacher was required to teach/prioritize grammar and other English fundamentals but showed up on the first day and said, " it, I don't wanna," that teacher would be fired. You're advocating requiring less English because the English education is going to be crappy anyway, which isn't much of a solution. What I suggested is that the same amount of English education should be required, but that it should be made less crappy and more effective/useful.

[CuckingFunt]

It shows I don't care about writing properly on a message board. Sorry I don't take my communications on this site more seriously.

Then why do you capitalize words properly? Or bother using punctuation at all?

[Latarian Milton]

Going to school for the "experience" is simply a luxury people my age don't have. Our parents had it but we don't. That's just all there is to it, it sucks but it's reality. Given the state of the economy you need to think about jobs after college.

you don't need a job right after college if you don't have a & a family to feed imho. i once had a job after graduation from college but i quit it in july last year cuz i felt i didn't need it. i've been living a frugal life w/o a job for almost a year now but im pretty happy with it. the reality is most college graduates can't get any decent jobs and if you are lucky enough to get one like m>s, you can enjoy it and laugh at all of us, but if not, you better come back to school or do something else to better prepare yourself for the future rather than waste your life at a deadend ty job (like my jacob sadly )

plus, marriage is a luxury for the richest people nowadays. es are venal and greedy as , and a smart guy will never ever consider committing his life to one of those s imho. guys should live frugally in their 20s while doing their best to pursue their dreams, w/o considering getting married to a . as a firm believer of Leykism, that's my honest advice to all you young people tbh

[baseline bum]

plus, the development of computer technology will only reduce the demand of mathematic skills, while on the other hand, people's need for entertainment will increase.

Disagree, you have things completely backwards. Math and computer algorithms become much more important as computer hardware gets better. People want to solve a problem 10x as big if their hardware is 10x faster, which isn't possible unless you have discovered a linear or better algorithm to solve the problem. With a quadratic algorithm (say, the original algorithm for computing discrete fourier transforms) you could only do a problem ~3X as big in the same time with hardware that's 10X faster. Whereas an N log N algorithm (such as the fast fourier transform) will allow you to do a problem ~8.5X as big in the same time with hardware that's 10X faster. Computation is still a really young field and there's tons of room for improvement to better utilize new hardware.

[Latarian Milton]

you learn knowledge to improve your brain function and to make yourself smarter, which will benefit your life throughout your lifetime. and if you only learn something to meet the employer's demand, no matter what you're learning, you're basically wasting your time learning it imho.

colleges give away degrees profusely and a college degree today ain't even worth 1/10 what it used to be 10 or 20 years ago imho, so if the piece of ing paper is the only thing you get from college when you graduate, it's fair to say you've wasted 4 or even more years in college imho.

history knowledge enables you to read your life better than other people, and gives you deep insight into the present-day life. it might be useless in the job market but if you start your own business someday, such knowledge or experience will turn out to be very beneficial imho

[Latarian Milton]

imho computer science has been advancing too fast compared to other subjects, maybe in a couple of years you can make a processor that's 10 times as fast as an i7 but what are you gonna use it for? an core processor is fast enough to satisfy every need in an office. there ain't no limit with computer techniques, but human brains have limits.

never gonna say math is not important, in fact i was also a math/physics combo fiend back in my hs years (top of my class in physics, and one of the bests in math) and tbh i dispised those who lived on literature & stuffs, and i considered those stuffs to be feminine but now i've realized i was wrong. there're too many scientists who have massive knowledge in their respective areas, but too few of them can express their ideas & thoughts in a proper language that can be understood by everyone imho

[Jacob1983]

I once ed the out of one of my high school English teachers on why we needed to memorize Walt Whitman's work. How the is that going to help you earn money or basically better your life? Unless you are on some type of game show, reality tv show, challenge, compe ion, or quiz show, Walt Whitman's work is useless. The same could be said for Shakespeare who is one of one the most overrated writers in human history.

[The Reckoning]

I once ed the out of one of my high school English teachers on why we needed to memorize Walt Whitman's work. How the is that going to help you earn money or basically better your life? Unless you are on some type of game show, reality tv show, challenge, compe ion, or quiz show, Walt Whitman's work is useless. The same could be said for Shakespeare who is one of one the most overrated writers in human history.

just getting you to read for all those leaves of grass youll be mowing when you cant get a job with your ty degree tbh

[FkLA]

DoK, why are you flexing your muscles about being good at math? Whats the hardest math class you have to take to be an accounting/finance major? It aint like youre a damn near mathematician like me so sit your ass down tbh.