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The reason, League MVP is lower that DPOY because its MEDIA voted, not player or coach voted.
Alright guys, I've noticed that these days everybody wants to rank the NBA Players based on all time rank. I figured out a way to do it thats fair. It's based on a number of criteria that I think determines a rank. I've done one person (My favorite player) Kareem Abdul Jabbar at the bottom as an example. Lets all do a player and figure out the top 10 or 20. No per or other advanced stats are equated. Its obvious that some categories are left out, but I couldn't list all of them or I'd be here all day. This isn't a definitive list, it's just research I'm done for a Statistics Class. The players with the most points would be the best in that order. Please enjoy!
Individual Awards
Hall of Fame: 10pts
Finals MVP: 7pts
Defensive Player of the Year: 6pts
League MVP: 5pts
Allstar game MVP: 4pts
All-star Selections: 4pts
Scoring les: 4pts
Rebounding les: 4pts
Assist le: 4pts
Rookie of the Year: 3pts
Individual Feats:
All-time Scoring Rank
#1-5= 10pts
#6-10= 8pts
#11-15= 6pts
#16-20= 4pts
PPG: 15-20 (6 Points), 21-25 (8 points), 26-30 ( 10 points)
RPG: 10-12 ( 6 Points), 13-15 ( 8 Points), 16+ ( 10 points)
70 + Point Games: 10pts
60 + Point Games: 8pts
50 + Point Games: 6pts
60+ Point Game Streak (Minimum 4): 10pts
50+ Point Game Streak (Minimum 4): 8pts
40+ Point Game Streak (Minimum 4): 6pts
Finals MVP Streak (Minimum 2): 10pts
MVP Streak (Minimum 2): 8pts
DPY Streak (Minimum 2) 8pts
Team Awards:
NBA Championships: 10pts
NBA Finals Winning Percentage: (.500 [3] Points), (.600 [4] Points), (.700 [5] points), (.800 [6] points), (.900 [7] points), (1.000 [8] points)
NBA Finals Appearance: 3pts
Olympic Gold Medals: 8pts
Olympic Silver Medals: (-5)pts
Olympic Bronze Medals: (-10)pts
Conference Championships: 6pts
Division les: 3pts
I got 320pts with Kareem as opposed to 30 points for Derek Fisher. So no Fisher isn't better than lebron because he has 5 les
The reason, League MVP is lower that DPOY because its MEDIA voted, not player or coach voted.
Hollinger would be proud
Tim Duncan's #1. That's all that matters.
What do you guys think?
But DPOY is also media voted.
Last edited by Arcadian; 05-10-2013 at 09:06 PM.
C'mon man, Add up Tim's numbers and see where he ranks.
No it isn't. The only media award is MVP. DPOY is done by the League
Even still, MVP is a 2-way award (offense and defense), and the media usually gets it right. It should be worth more than DPOY for sure.
MVP is a popularity contest. Thats why Derrick Rose won in 2011, and Kobe didn't over Steve Nash. You get points for it, but I'm not giving it more than it deserves.
All Star selections should be left out, since the fans vote for the starters. Yao Ming made the All Star game one year without even playing a game, iirc. I'd replace All Star selections with All NBA selections and value the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd teams accordingly.
This is a novel idea, but I can already see it heavily favors scorers.
Oh, andat awarding the All Star game MVP any amount of points.
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Should subtract 100 points for rape charges and 50 per bas child tbh.
I can see your point. Allstar selections are relevant. Fan's vote for Starters, but I can see your point. But there should be a reward for making the allstar game and Winning MVP. I don't see the issue.
OK, so you gave 2 examples of questionable MVP selections. Usually, they get it right. DPOY, on the other hand, has gone to the wrong person many times. So I don't care if it's a league award; it's still less meaningful than MVP.
Do you really think Ben Wallace's 4 DPOY awards is more impressive than Tim Duncan's 2 MVPs?
Last edited by Arcadian; 05-10-2013 at 09:10 PM.
Oh, and
Its based on performance against the Worlds best players with EVERYBODY trying to get it. It is an accomplishment. At least its not Dan Leba voting for lebron or Mike Wilbon voting for Derrick Rose because thats their hometown and favorite players. C'mon man.
Gimmie a few here. Going to compare David Robinson and Tim Duncan, pretending as if their careers ended by their 6th year. That ends Robinson's career in '95, his MVP year, and Duncan's in '03, his MVP and Finals MVP year.
If Robinson comes out ahead or is even a little bit close, we know you criteria needs major revision.
OK, so you gave 2 examples of questionable MVP selections. Usually, they get it right. DPOY, on the other hand, has gone to the wrong person many times. So I don't care if it's a league award; it's still less meaningful than MVP.
Do you really think Ben Wallace's 3 DPOY awards is more impressive than Tim Duncan's 2 MVPs?
Yes, but I also think Tim deserved at least 2 in his career. Ben Wallace did matter because he anchored the Defense of a Championship Team and out muscled shaq in the finals. It is relevant to that extent.
Barkley and Malone stole MVP's from MJ because of voter fatigue. Shaq and Kobe only have 1 each, Nash has 2 straight
Robinson was a GREAT Player. 2 Gold Medals to Dunans None, 2 Championships, League MVP, DPOY ( Duncan 0)
So its concievable, that after only 6 years, Robinson ranks close
This whole system is a set up. Top 3 are all Lakers.
Who are the Top 3 lakers? I would probably be Magic, Kareem and Wilt. That isn't inconceivable is it?
Exactly, but he didn't. So how are you gonna make that worth more when it often goes to the wrong person?
He mattered, but not more than the MVP mattered to his team.Ben Wallace did matter because he anchored the Defense of a Championship Team and out muscled shaq in the finals. It is relevant to that extent.
Barkley was arguably the best player in 1993. That wasn't a bad choice. Malone perhaps not so much - but again, he was still more valuable than that year's DPOY.Barkley and Malone stole MVP's from MJ because of voter fatigue. Shaq and Kobe only have 1 each, Nash has 2 straight
Most people would put at least 5 of the top 10 All time players as lakers. So I don't see how that's crazy.
Barkley was not Better than MJ in 1993. Also Ben Wallace made Detroit one of the Greatest Defensive teams of ALL TIME. How is that irrelevant?
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