NBA: NBA All Time Ranks

[Technique]

Here's what you did: Looked at Kobe's career achievements and made a point system out of it.

[Arcadian]

Barkley was not Better than MJ in 1993. Also Ben Wallace made Detroit one of the Greatest Defensive teams of ALL TIME. How is that irrelevant?

I didn't say it was irrelevant. Just less relevant than the MVP. I think this is very clear cut, and you should make DPOY worth 3 instead of 6.

Otherwise, it's an interesting idea.

[midnightpulp]

Its based on performance against the Worlds best players with EVERYBODY trying to get it. It is an accomplishment. At least its not Dan Leba voting for lebron or Mike Wilbon voting for Derrick Rose because thats their hometown and favorite players. C'mon man.

It's a meaningless exhibition game and quite often you'll see players deferring to the hometown star trying to manufacture a big performance for him.

And while the "world's best players" might be playing against each other, they're not exactly playing the world's best defense against each other. Furthermore, the game is tailor made for perimeter players. Shaq and Duncan were the only bigs to win the award in the past 20 years.

I understand why you included it, since Kobe has 4 of them, but if we put it to a vote asking if All Star game MVPs should be considered in the evaluation of a player's legacy, no objective NBA fan would vote "yes."

[King Nupe]

It's a meaningless exhibition game and quite often you'll see players deferring to the hometown star trying to manufacture a big performance for him.

And while the "world's best players" might be playing against each other, they're not exactly playing the world's best defense against each other. Furthermore, the game is tailor made for perimeter players. Shaq and Duncan were the only bigs to win the award in the past 20 years.

I understand why you included it, since Kobe has 4 of them, but if we put it to a vote asking if All Star game MVPs should be considered in the evaluation of a player's legacy, no objective NBA fan would vote "yes."

Doesn't MJ have like 4 of them? Kareem does too. But I suppose you have a point.

[King Nupe]

Well, maybe we can refine the system. Everybody list what you think should be removed and added. NO AGENDA's please.

[King Nupe]

It's a meaningless exhibition game and quite often you'll see players deferring to the hometown star trying to manufacture a big performance for him.

And while the "world's best players" might be playing against each other, they're not exactly playing the world's best defense against each other. Furthermore, the game is tailor made for perimeter players. Shaq and Duncan were the only bigs to win the award in the past 20 years.

I understand why you included it, since Kobe has 4 of them, but if we put it to a vote asking if All Star game MVPs should be considered in the evaluation of a player's legacy, no objective NBA fan would vote "yes."

Also, how is that award not relevant to the legacy? Maybe the points should be lowered for it, but it should count. SOMEBODY has to win it right?

[midnightpulp]

I can see your point. Allstar selections are relevant. Fan's vote for Starters, but I can see your point. But there should be a reward for making the allstar game and Winning MVP. I don't see the issue.

No there shouldn't.

You also have to consider that All Star star voting starts at about 30 games into the season.

[King Nupe]

No there shouldn't.

You also have to consider that All Star star voting starts at about 30 games into the season.

Ok, but the Difference between MJ and Lamar Odom is not only the Stats, but also the IMPACT on the league, or Marketability.l I think that weighs in on the legacy right? People vote for MJ because he's Great AND he's great to see. Nobody cares about Lamar Odom or Hasheem Thabeet. They aren't superstars, and they aren't Box office.

[whitemamba]

Ok, but the Difference between MJ and Lamar Odom is not only the Status, but also the IMPACT on the league, or Marketability.l I think that weighs in on the legacy right? People vote for MJ because he's Great AND he's great to see. Nobody cares about Lamar Odom or Hasheem Thabeet. They aren't superstars, and they aren't Box office.

Mj and Lamar in the same discussion doesnt make sense.

[King Nupe]

Mj and Lamar in the same discussion doesnt make sense.

Neither does MJ and Durant. But the thing they have in common is the fact that people wanted to see them. They are both Superstars. Granted no where near the same tier, but they're both Superstars

[whitemamba]

Neither does MJ and Durant. But the thing they have in common is the fact that people wanted to see them. They are both Superstars. Granted no where near the same tier, but they're both Superstars

MJ is a legend not a superstar.

[King Nupe]

MJ is a legend not a superstar.

Durant will be too. But the point is, No matter how much better MJ was than Durant, the fact they are both Allstars brings them to an equal level in that subject matter

[DAF86]

What do you guys think?

Could be nice without your re ed biased pts criteria.

[midnightpulp]

Comparing Duncan and Robinson's first 6 seasons.

David Robinson: 183

Tim Duncan: 176

Needs revision, bro.

[Killakobe81]

I think it could have merit but ...
ASG appearances should be less points,
Mvp's (regular season) should mean less ...
All the awards should mean less tbh ...

ALL NBA teams only decent one left ...
but Lebron winning 4 of 5 MVPs gives me hope but doesent erase the bull before it ...













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[midnightpulp]

Comparing Duncan and Robinson's first 6 seasons.

David Robinson: 183

Tim Duncan: 176

Needs revision, bro.

And just to clarify, for this experiment, I pretended both players retired after their 6th season, so Robinson got no credit for the championships he won and Duncan wasn't penalized for the '04 Bronze medal. Any system that would have a 2 time champion and 2 time Finals MVP winner beneath a regular season monster but playoff choker (as was Robinson's reputation at the time) with no rings and no Finals MVPs is pretty flawed.

[King Nupe]

But that's the problem. Duncan has played 16 season not 6. If you do his entire career, Tim will be easily ahead

[midnightpulp]

But that's the problem. Duncan has played 16 season not 6. If you do his entire career, Tim will be easily ahead

I realize that. The point of comparing their first six seasons was to highlight the flaws in your criteria. Even before I undertook the comparison, I already knew Robinson would likely come out ahead, because your system is heavily, heavily biased toward scoring. For example, Allen Iverson's 30 point per game season on a horrific 39% shooting is given the same value as winning the Finals MVP.

You don't see a problem with that?

[King Nupe]

I realize that. The point of comparing their first six seasons was to highlight the flaws in your criteria. Even before I undertook the comparison, I already knew Robinson would likely come out ahead, because your system is heavily, heavily biased toward scoring. For example, Allen Iverson's 30 point per game season on a horrific 39% shooting is given the same value as winning the Finals MVP.

You don't see a problem with that?

yeah I do. I should then have points added or deducted based on FG pct. but that in itself is flawed as centers naturally have higher FG pcts than peremiter players.

[King Nupe]

I'm going to go back and add rebounds, assist and blocks to individual achievements. Also, steals, game winning shots and turnovers. There's a lot that needs to be added

[DMC]

While you're at it, subtract 5pt per million dollars of total team salary.

[Arcadian]

yeah I do. I should then have points added or deducted based on FG pct. but that in itself is flawed as centers naturally have higher FG pcts than peremiter players.

No, that's not a flaw - centers are generally more valuable than perimeter players precisely because they take shots closer to the basket (and protect it on defense). That's what traditional basketball is all about. And that should be reflected in your scoring system.

[midnightpulp]

No, that's not a flaw - centers are generally more valuable than perimeter players precisely because they take shots closer to the basket (and protect it on defense). That's what traditional basketball is all about. And that should be reflected in your scoring system.

This.

[100%duncan]

IDK man it takes a lot of time and still wouldn't give a "real" rank.

[JingleJangleJingle]

MJ Wilt Kareem Magic Bird Russell Olajuwon Shaq Duncan and LeBron...those are the top 10 players of all-time...order them anywhere you like.