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    I just dont get it...the Kings owners just sold the team to another group instead and they'll remain in Sacramento. But everyone knows Seattle is dying for a team.

    What was the justification behind it by Stern and the rest of them?

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    We'll never know the real reason. Seattle's bid was much stronger, they even offered to add an extra 100m on top of the bid that was already higher than Sacramento's.

    Basketball Reasons tbh

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    Malloofs should sue the league for losing out on that 100 mil.

    Owners know now they can dangle Seattle in front of any city who won't agree to build a new arena. That deal is atrocious for the city of Sacramento

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    As much as I want to see Seattle get an NBA team back, it shouldnt be done at the expense of Sacto

    Just move the Thunder back to Seattle, who cares about that hole OKC

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    Stern was really disappointed that Seattle didn't get a team.

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    Cant they just add another team to the league? I understand this would upset the balance scale of 15 teams per but what the .

    Or they can always nuked any particular ty Eastern team not named Heat and put 'em on the cross.

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    Cant they just add another team to the league? I understand this would upset the balance scale of 15 teams per but what the .

    Or they can always nuked any particular ty Eastern team not named Heat and put 'em on the cross.
    Why not just move the Raptors...its almost like they're not really in the NBA anyway

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    seatle had their shot, but they failed at the time

    so they reap what they sow....

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    Cant they just add another team to the league? I understand this would upset the balance scale of 15 teams per but what the .

    Or they can always nuked any particular ty Eastern team not named Heat and put 'em on the cross.
    Even though they say it will not happen, I see them adding two teams (thus having 8 4-team-divisions like the NFL) within the next 12 years.
    Its not a good thing, coz there are only so many high caliber players around, but 32 is a better number (half of all teams make the playoffs / you could give the 4 divisionwinners homecourt in the first round / etc.).

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    RK TEAM GMS TOTAL AVG PCT
    1 Bulls 41 896,944 21,876 104.6
    2 Mavericks 41 821,490 20,036 104.4
    3 Heat 41 819,290 19,982 102.0
    4 Trail Blazers 41 813,012 19,829 95.4
    5 Warriors 41 794,320 19,373 98.9
    6 Clippers 41 788,293 19,226 100.9
    7 NY Knicks 41 780,353 19,033 96.3
    8 Lakers 41 778,877 18,997 99.7
    9 Jazz 41 765,915 18,680 93.8
    10 Celtics 40 744,960 18,624 100.0
    11 Spurs 41 755,700 18,431 99.2
    12 Thunder 41 746,323 18,203 100.0
    13 Raptors 41 743,936 18,144 91.6
    14 Nuggets 41 730,616 17,819 93.0
    15 Magic 41 721,414 17,595 93.4
    16 Nets 41 704,702 17,187 94.9
    17 76ers 41 685,412 16,717 82.2
    18 Rockets 41 683,564 16,672 92.4
    19 Grizzlies 41 681,613 16,624 91.8
    20 Wizards 41 670,070 16,343 80.6
    21 Timberwolves 41 669,956 16,340 84.4
    22 Cavaliers 41 663,882 16,192 78.7
    23 Suns 41 632,913 15,436 83.8
    24 Bobcats 41 628,293 15,324 80.3
    25 Pacers 41 626,069 15,269 84.1
    26 Hawks 41 620,146 15,125 80.8
    27 Bucks 41 616,469 15,035 80.3
    28 Pistons 41 606,094 14,782 67.0
    29 Pelicans 41 565,930 13,803 80.3
    30 Kings 41 563,743 13,749 79.4

    Attendance chart.
    How can the PCT be higher than 100%? (edited question)

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    Selling SRO / non-permanent seating.

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    The NBA used Seattle as leverage to get a taxpayer-raping facility out of the city of Sacramento. It was win-win as far as the NBA was concerned: Either Sacramento would bend over and take it up the ass dry, which is what happened...or they'd go back to a top 12 market and a city dying for the return of the NBA in a new building.

    And the NBA will continue to use Seattle as leverage to extort taxpayer-financed buildings out of every market just like the NFL does with LA.

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    What is pretty ed up is that they ended up pitting two cities against each other and putting both of those fanbases through - Seattle fans hoping on pins and needles that they would get another team; Sacto fans having to worry about whether or not their team would leave.

    If the NBA was so concerned about doing everything possible to get a new building built in Sacto before leaving, why not just do the same thing they did with New Orleans and buy the team from the Maloofs and search for a local buyer? I find it strange that they let things get as far as a PSA between the Maloofs and the Seattle group before springing into action and trying to find local bidders. I think it was cruel to fans in Seattle. They should have done the same thing that they did with the Hornets/Pelicans if they were so -bent on not relocating the team. And it was also cruel to fans in Sacto for this process to play out the way it did.

    As it is I think they just kicked the can down the road with Sacramento. Seattle is a bigger market and has more of a corporate base for sponsorships and such. Sacramento doesn't have the same kind of industry being a state capitol. A new building is not going to solve the problem that Sacto is just not a good market for the NBA anymore. Look at Indiana - they're in a building less than 15 years old and they didn't draw this year with a team that is on the cusp of reaching the conference finals.

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    It sounds far fetched to think the NBA would give up a market as good as Seattle just to use it as leverage but I'm beginning to think that's exactly what's going on here. It's the only reasonable explanation for why that ownership group wasn't approved when the two bids weren't even close.

    IMO the Magoofs should be suing the NBA's pants off.

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    It's because they have a strong fanbase. I think the NBA wants the precedent that if you have the fanbase and support they will not support the relocation of a team. If Seattle had built that arena there would be a lot of meth addicts in OKC with no team to root for except the Hornets for that year they played there

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    I was surprised at how many people on the forum supported Stern; I was hoping the Seattle group would him in the ass with this deal but instead Stern and his goons ed over everyone.

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    It sounds far fetched to think the NBA would give up a market as good as Seattle just to use it as leverage but I'm beginning to think that's exactly what's going on here. It's the only reasonable explanation for why that ownership group wasn't approved when the two bids weren't even close.

    IMO the Magoofs should be suing the NBA's pants off.
    David Stern has lost his ing mind and is just an arrogant, petty fool at this point. I think Sacto was one of his pet projects because they relocated from Kansas City to California his first year as commissioner. They should be tripping over themselves to get such a well-financed group as Hansen, Ballmer and the Nordstrom family, a group that promised that they would be a tax payer and not a revenue taker, and which was going to build a new arena.

    Small markets can work in the NBA (San Antonio, Portland, Salt Lake City) but they have to be exceedingly well-run organizations. It's just stupid to leave larger markets for smaller ones.

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    The NBA used Seattle as leverage to get a taxpayer-raping facility out of the city of Sacramento. It was win-win as far as the NBA was concerned: Either Sacramento would bend over and take it up the ass dry, which is what happened...or they'd go back to a top 12 market and a city dying for the return of the NBA in a new building.

    And the NBA will continue to use Seattle as leverage to extort taxpayer-financed buildings out of every market just like the NFL does with LA.
    I think the difference is that there is legitimate interest in getting an NBA team back into Seattle, and I'm not sure the same can be said for the NFL and Los Angeles. IMO.

    If I were a Seattle sports fan I'd rather try and get an NHL team into the city than an NBA team. I actually think Seattle would be a better hockey market than basketball market at this point.

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    Stern is a lawyer and you know he always measures his words carefully. His first remarks at his press conference to announce the Kings were staying were "I can't stay long, I have a game in OKC to get to." this guy. What an ass.

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    I think the difference is that there is legitimate interest in getting an NBA team back into Seattle, and I'm not sure the same can be said for the NFL and Los Angeles. IMO.

    If I were a Seattle sports fan I'd rather try and get an NHL team into the city than an NBA team. I actually think Seattle would be a better hockey market than basketball market at this point.
    It might also be their best shot at convincing the NBA to grant an expansion franchise bc I don't know what team is going to relocate at this point. If they couldn't get a team without a lease (Sacto) I don't see how they will ever be able to relocate a team. An NHL team in a new arena and lots of corporate and fan support would demonstrate the viability of the market.

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    David Stern has lost his ing mind and is just an arrogant, petty fool at this point. I think Sacto was one of his pet projects because they relocated from Kansas City to California his first year as commissioner. They should be tripping over themselves to get such a well-financed group as Hansen, Ballmer and the Nordstrom family, a group that promised that they would be a tax payer and not a revenue taker, and which was going to build a new arena.

    Small markets can work in the NBA (San Antonio, Portland, Salt Lake City) but they have to be exceedingly well-run organizations. It's just stupid to leave larger markets for smaller ones.
    I think it's brilliance from Stern. Since he became commissioner and made it so cities need to get in a corporate welfare bidding war with each other as far as which one gets a team has exponentially increased the salaries of the players while only adding to the owner's profits. It's completely ass raped the tax payers in a lot of cities and redistributed wealth away from the middle class, but I don't blame him for that since it's not his job.

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    ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) AaronY's Avatar
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    The problem was Sacramento met the Maloofs every demand a few times and all the Maloofs did was keep demanding more and more..the other owners had enough of that ..the local offer was more than fair and the Maloofs ed the city over again and again..its like if you go to the only doctor available for a surgery (Sac isn't getting another team, Kings were their only choice) and he says $50,000 then when you come back with the 50k he says sorry 75k then you come back with 75k and he says 75k and the deed to your house and then he says sorry 75k, deed to your house, and your car..NBA is a collective operation..owners told the Maloofs to go themselves allredy..good for them..

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    The problem was Sacramento met the Maloofs every demand a few times and all the Maloofs did was keep demanding more and more..the other owners had enough of that ..the local offer was more than fair and the Maloofs ed the city over again and again..its like if you go to the only doctor available for a surgery (Sac isn't getting another team, Kings were their only choice) and he says $50,000 then when you come back with the 50k he says sorry 75k then you come back with 75k and he says 75k and the deed to your house and then he says sorry 75k, deed to your house, and your car..NBA is a collective operation..owners told the Maloofs to go themselves allredy..good for them..
    I agree but in that case they should have bought the team from the Maloofs and handled it the same way they did New Orleans. Using Seattle as leverage and getting the hopes of those fans for a return of the NBA was just cruel, as well as cruel to the fans in Sacto that had to contend with the very real possibility of losing their team.

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    Point is these leagues are not pure capitalist enterprises for instance like when Mike Williams and Maurice Claurett wanted to play before the three years..I remember Roger Cossack saying they would win in court easily..How can you prevent someone of legal working age from working in their chosen profession, I thought?..well the courts ruled the league could decide on its own employment rules and even if one team didnt agree with them and wanted to sign a freshman or whatever it didn't matter as long as most of the other teams wanted that rule and they had agreed to do things by majority vote..same here owners collectively decided anally raping a city wasn't in the best interests of the league so they told the Maloofs they can go suck a ..

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