Teachers

[George Gervin's Afro]

My wife has taught for over 20 years in Texas and loves her job. She works long hours and buys supplies out of our budget for her classroom that is not covered by her alloted funds. She loves her kids and works her ass off everyday. She hasn't gotten a raise in 3 years while the state cuts in education funding that cost jobs and increases her workload.

She is tired of being berated by the Fox News crowd for all of the problems in public schools. She is offended and realizes that many of her critics don't know what in the f*ck they are talking about.

She has come to despise republicans even though she is not a political person who never votes. She despises Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity and the likes for the continous lies they perpetuate about her profession.

Now we have teachers giving their lives up for their students in Sandy Hook and Moore, Oklahoma. Considering we have many on this board who blame teachers for the ills in public schools, maybe tragedies like this will make you pieces of crap realize that most teachers aren't lazy nor are they in it for the vacation.

Those republicans can go to .

Good job teach.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

you. We need to fund the oil industry and give generous tax incentives to corporate interests.

[baseline bum]

Every tax dollar to Boeing is sacred

[Wild Cobra]

So?

Many of us haven't seen a raise for a few years.

I don't know about your state, but in many places, teachers are overpaid for the work required. Teachers have a far better benefits package than most tax payers supporting their salaries. Most government employees unions get over on the government too easily because the government doesn't have the same bottom line businesses have. Need more money? Just siphon more from that tax payers...

I'm sorry, until teachers accept the fact that they are over compensated for their jobs, I have no sympathy for their whining.

[CosmicCowboy]

Teachers can't turn into gold. Crap kids into the system = crap kids out of the system. Not the teachers fault.

[TeyshaBlue]

So?

Many of us haven't seen a raise for a few years.

I don't know about your state, but in many places, teachers are overpaid for the work required. Teachers have a far better benefits package than most tax payers supporting their salaries. Most government employees unions get over on the government too easily because the government doesn't have the same bottom line businesses have. Need more money? Just siphon more from that tax payers...

I'm sorry, until teachers accept the fact that they are over compensated for their jobs, I have no sympathy for their whining.

Over compensated? Could you say anything stupider than that?

[TeyshaBlue]

Over compensated? Could you say anything stupider than that?

Make the case for overcompensation or GTFO.

[TeyshaBlue]

My wife has taught for over 20 years in Texas and loves her job. She works long hours and buys supplies out of our budget for her classroom that is not covered by her alloted funds. She loves her kids and works her ass off everyday. She hasn't gotten a raise in 3 years while the state cuts in education funding that cost jobs and increases her workload.

She is tired of being berated by the Fox News crowd for all of the problems in public schools. She is offended and realizes that many of her critics don't know what in the f*ck they are talking about.

She has come to despise republicans even though she is not a political person who never votes. She despises Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity and the likes for the continous lies they perpetuate about her profession.

Now we have teachers giving their lives up for their students in Sandy Hook and Moore, Oklahoma. Considering we have many on this board who blame teachers for the ills in public schools, maybe tragedies like this will make you pieces of crap realize that most teachers aren't lazy nor are they in it for the vacation.

Those republicans can go to .

Good job teach.

Unless you are co-opting her for this particular rant, she's got to realize there are a ton of republican teachers too. Should they go to as well?


Or are you/she refering to a particular subset?

[TeyshaBlue]

I always laugh my ass off when I hear "3 month vacation".

[tlongII]

I have no problem with teachers getting raises. The problem is all of the waste in the school administration. There is also a thing called PERS here in Oregon. Public Employee Retirement System. Budgets for many state initiatives continually get chopped because no one will do anything about the ridiculous PERS amounts being paid to retirees.

[clambake]

So?

Many of us haven't seen a raise for a few years.

I don't know about your state, but in many places, teachers are overpaid for the work required. Teachers have a far better benefits package than most tax payers supporting their salaries. Most government employees unions get over on the government too easily because the government doesn't have the same bottom line businesses have. Need more money? Just siphon more from that tax payers...

I'm sorry, until teachers accept the fact that they are over compensated for their jobs, I have no sympathy for their whining.

u got a ty union, huh?

[TeyshaBlue]

I have no problem with teachers getting raises. The problem is all of the waste in the school administration. There is also a thing called PERS here in Oregon. Public Employee Retirement System. Budgets for many state initiatives continually get chopped because no one will do anything about the ridiculous PERS amounts being paid to retirees.

Don't know about Oregon, but in Texas we have the TRS, Teacher Retirement System. Teachers in Tx pay into this fund, and they are not allowed to pay into Social Security.

[baseline bum]

Over compensated? Could you say anything stupider than that?

You haven't heard what he'd do with his rifle at the border if it was legal?

[baseline bum]

I always laugh my ass off when I hear "3 month vacation".

Why is that? Because as a teacher you put in more than 40 hour weeks in the school year?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So?

Many of us haven't seen a raise for a few years.

I don't know about your state, but in many places, teachers are overpaid for the work required. Teachers have a far better benefits package than most tax payers supporting their salaries. Most government employees unions get over on the government too easily because the government doesn't have the same bottom line businesses have. Need more money? Just siphon more from that tax payers...

I'm sorry, until teachers accept the fact that they are over compensated for their jobs, I have no sympathy for their whining.

You work for a union shop and don't want to leave the place because of your pay and job security. It's cool for you but not for teacher's unions? I guess you only don't like the unions that don't help you out.

[tlongII]

Don't know about Oregon, but in Texas we have the TRS, Teacher Retirement System. Teachers in Tx pay into this fund, and they are not allowed to pay into Social Security.

You can read about it here. The article was written in 2006 so the figures cited are out of date. The salaries are much higher now and the problem is probably even worse than it was predicted to be.

[Spurminator]

It still blows my mind that teachers have to buy their own supplies.

[TeyshaBlue]

Why is that? Because as a teacher you put in more than 40 hour weeks in the school year?

No. The common misconception is since there is no school in summer, teachers get 3 months off. Unless, like most teachers, you work another couple of weeks at the end of school, then take a few weeks off unless you work a second job over the summer, then a month before school starts, you're back in the classroom getting everything ready for the next year. I usually got 3 weeks if I was lucky. It was different for me because, as a band director, we always had summer band a month prior to school starting. But when I'd show up at school, there were always teachers in their rooms getting things in place for the coming year.

[baseline bum]

No. The common misconception is since there is no school in summer, teachers get 3 months off. Unless, like most teachers, you work another couple of weeks at the end of school, then take a few weeks off unless you work a second job over the summer, then a month before school starts, you're back in the classroom getting everything ready for the next year. I usually got 3 weeks if I was lucky. It was different for me because, as a band director, we always had summer band a month prior to school starting. But when I'd show up at school, there were always teachers in their rooms getting things in place for the coming year.

Thanks for the detailed reply. I always figured it was maybe an extra week at the end of the year for grading, exit interviews, textbook review, etc. and maybe 2 weeks before the school year started for lesson planning with administrators, classroom prep, buying equipment, and so on.

[spursncowboys]

My wife has taught for over 20 years in Texas and loves her job. She works long hours and buys supplies out of our budget for her classroom that is not covered by her alloted funds. She loves her kids and works her ass off everyday. She hasn't gotten a raise in 3 years while the state cuts in education funding that cost jobs and increases her workload.

She is tired of being berated by the Fox News crowd for all of the problems in public schools. She is offended and realizes that many of her critics don't know what in the f*ck they are talking about.

She has come to despise republicans even though she is not a political person who never votes. She despises Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity and the likes for the continous lies they perpetuate about her profession.

Now we have teachers giving their lives up for their students in Sandy Hook and Moore, Oklahoma. Considering we have many on this board who blame teachers for the ills in public schools, maybe tragedies like this will make you pieces of crap realize that most teachers aren't lazy nor are they in it for the vacation.

Those republicans can go to .

Good job teach.

I haven't seen the segments where the reporters blame teachers, but I definitely understand the frustration when your job is politicized. She's a great person for putting money after helping others. She must be a good person to deal with your crap!

[Nbadan]

WC needs to go spend a year at a high need public school to see what teachers really go through and then ask himself if $45K is really enough for the 80 hour work week, the disrespectful, unmotivated kids, the constant scrutiny from administrators, the mountains and mountains of paperwork, the legal responsibilities *teaching is one of the only professions where you can go to jail for messing up on your job...spending anywhere from $100-200 of personal money per month for work supplies, the responsibility of a squeaky clean personal image...helicopter parents...20 minute lunches....and now... having to save the kids from guys with guns and tornadoes..

[Wild Cobra]

Make the case for overcompensation or GTFO.

Medical coverage:

Is her copay over $100 a month for the coverage?

Are the copays for a doctor visit under $25?

Is her salary over $30/hr when you consider the hours she actually works?

[Wild Cobra]

Don't know about Oregon, but in Texas we have the TRS, Teacher Retirement System. Teachers in Tx pay into this fund, and they are not allowed to pay into Social Security.

Tlong is right about the Oregon school system and PERS. They have such a sweet deal in PERS... It's ridiculous.

[Wild Cobra]

Wow Dan.

If they are working 80 hrs a week at a base pay of $45k, then they are making well over $100K annual...

It's bull if you are suggesting they work 80 hrs a week for $45k.

[RandomGuy]

So?

Many of us haven't seen a raise for a few years.

I don't know about your state, but in many places, teachers are overpaid for the work required. Teachers have a far better benefits package than most tax payers supporting their salaries. Most government employees unions get over on the government too easily because the government doesn't have the same bottom line businesses have. Need more money? Just siphon more from that tax payers...

I'm sorry, until teachers accept the fact that they are over compensated for their jobs, I have no sympathy for their whining.

Prove teachers are over-compensated.

Supporting data, and definitions. Your claim, your burden of proof.

Bull has been called. Can you walk the walk, or are you gonna run away from this one?