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Alltime Records/Feats don't matter?
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Hater's patented formula left everyone speechless
OP, you forgot "defense" (self explanitory, and not just DPOY awards)
"clutch factor" (aka FG% in clutch situations, not just total of shots made in ASSLOADS of attempts at a terrible FG%)
Consistency of winning (career win% and both high and low career best/worst seasons)
Peak stats and prime stats (especially when compared to other greats at same position)
Playoff stats (especially compared to their own season stats)
Level of compe ion
And intangibles (aka leadership, how much they make their teammates better, how much or how little scrutiny they get by the media for things they do right or wrong in game, etc)
And Hater. . .that's cool, but you made PER massively dominate rings and MVPs. Those barely have any valuation compared to PER. You'd have to adjust the rings and MVPs to mean a little more than just 1, or adjust PER down to mean a bit less. Plus it throws out so many other important factors :\
But oddly enough, it does kinda make most guys fall into a good order pretty well.
Comparatively speaking, the '80s >>> '90s. In the '80s, I think the only expansion team was Miami ('88?). The '90s saw the league get watered down with multiple expansion teams that MJ's Bulls feasted on in route to their rangs - and their gaudy 72-10 record (simply put, they don't win that many in the '80s - with that team). In the '80s, he got his pushed in on the regular per par tbqh. If he won even once in the '80s I would have been impressed.
That's why KAJ has a legit claim as GOAT. Won a ring in the '70s, 5 in the '80s, plus his 3 NCAA rangs, more points than anyone including MJ (scoring is what MJ is really known for), more all star games in NBA history, NCAA and NBA changed many rules to level the playing field because of him, etc etc. However, the media hates him and loves MJ - despite the fact he was just as big an asshole - and his gambling ways got his dad whacked.
You can legitimately argue that KAJ is the true GOAT IMO.
Enjoying the Western Conference Finals?
Lol, Kareem missed the playoffs twice in his prime..GOAT my ass..
As for Magic:
I don't think Magic's game would even translate well to this current laker team. He couldn't really shoot that well, and there is no way he could guard any other point guards. I would pick Nick Van Exel at PG before magic, because his game would translate better.
I would, if I could see the games. The frustrating part is AFN is showing the games live. But due to work, I can't see any of them. SMH
Stupid logic. Since Duncan never missed the playoffs, are you saying Duncan is better than KAJ? KAJ (6) > Duncan (4) too. I don't think anyone (even the sane Spur Fans) would say that . In his prime, he would DOMINATE Timothy Duncan. His career achievements dwarf Duncan's. Simply put, there is nothing Duncan has done that KAJ hasn't done better as a big man. Nothing. Oh, and missing playoffs in his prime had nothing to do with KAJ's production as a player. So that's a silly argument in and of itself. At least he never won a Bronze Medal - which is worst. -100 points son.
Anybody that would take NVE over Magic in any era is either stupid, dumb, re ed, pendejo, etc, per par, tbqh. -200 points for that stained comment son.
Don't let your Laker hatred cloud your apparently limited judgement.
-Magic can't defend a modern day PG
-Isn't a good shooter
-Needs the ball in his hands
-Doesn't have the pieces to run showtime...
So yes,a case can be made that he is not a better fit than NVE.
Furthermore,
What would magic be able to do with this Current Laker team? They don't run, so he would be stuck in the half court, where he couldn't shoot that well, and doesn't have Kareem ( A REAL POST PLAYER) to dump it to and get easy buckets without turnovers. Plus, we all know Kobe needs the ball in his hands.
Hold, on. Why are my post coming up as Aarony????
Thats right LkrFan leave..can't take this logic overload..
Yeah I agree, No one would ever put Duncan in Kareem's league. Heck, Kareem won FMVP at age 37 right?? Kareem played against, Ralph Sampson, Prime Hakeem, Prime Ewing, Prime Parish, Prime Mchale.Stupid logic. Since Duncan never missed the playoffs, are you saying Duncan is better than KAJ? KAJ (6) > Duncan (4) too. I don't think anyone (even the sane Spur Fans) would say that . In his prime, he would DOMINATE Timothy Duncan. His career achievements dwarf Duncan's. Simply put, there is nothing Duncan has done that KAJ hasn't done better as a big man. Nothing. Oh, and missing playoffs in his prime had nothing to do with KAJ's production as a player. So that's a silly argument in and of itself. At least he never won a Bronze Medal - which is worst. -100 points son.
Duncan went against Prime Shaq and lost 3 out 4 series. Shaq's the only LEGIT bigman that Duncan has faced in both their primes.
- it's 1315 (1:15pm for you non-military types). I didn't "leave" - I'm at work. You expect me to be on ST 24/7? -10 more points son.
PS - all that BS you posted was just that: BS. I don't respond to BS. Bottom line: Magic is the greatest leader this league has ever seen. For you to say he wouldn't fit on this current Laker team...wow. Just wow. SMH
Shame. You're missing the Zach Randolph show. Bullying s in the post.
Duncan is 2-3 vs prime/peak Shaq and pretty much outplayed him every time.
kobe has no business gettin any credit for the lakers 3peat and repeat years shaq/gasol
only credit he should be base on is the abortion years he was leader missin the playoffs and losing to the suns in the first round, and this year atrocious 120m payroll team
History Post Season Meetings 34–18 (LAL) 1982 Western Conference Finals Lakers won, 4-0 1983 Western Conference Finals Lakers won, 4-2 1986 Western Conference First Round Lakers won, 3-0 1988 Western Conference First Round Lakers won, 3-0 1995 Western Conference Semifinals Spurs won, 4-2 1999 Western Conference Semifinals Spurs won, 4–0 2001 Western Conference Finals Lakers won, 4–0 2002 Western Conference Semifinals Lakers won, 4–1 2003 Western Conference Semifinals Spurs won, 4–2 2004 Western Conference Semifinals Lakers won, 4–2 2008 Western Conference Finals Lakers won, 4–1 2013 Western Conference First Round
Ok, but he's 2-3....and if you say he was outplayed by Duncan, yet the Lakers STILL Won...then that Means Kobe carried Shaq...
Jordan
Russel
Jabbar
Magic
Bird
LeBron
Wilt
Duncan
Kobe
West
It's always a combination of the mentioned points. Ships and team success build the base (LeBron doesn't make the list until last year), awards show how the player was seen at his time, stats help (Wilt may not make the list otherwise).
But you have to be carefull: Guys like Wilt and Russel were great but it was a different era...GOAT shouldn't be 'Best player ever", or otherwise you have to throw them out and go with Hakeem and Shaq instead because they would own them if they played against each other.
No. It means Rick Fox, Robert Horry, Derek Fisher, Brian Shaw were better than Danny Ferry, Terry Porter, and the ghost of Sean Elliott.Ok, but he's 2-3....and if you say he was outplayed by Duncan, yet the Lakers STILL Won...then that Means Kobe carried Shaq...
Kobe was better in '01 against the Spurs than Shaq was, no arguments there.
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