NBA: All NBA 1st team

[td4mvp2k]

more like the big 3 turned tosb tbh

2 who were all nba dis yr?

[oh crap]

curry gets snubbed again..

[urunobili]

Lee Bryant Coward

[Dex]

curry gets snubbed again..

At least he won the 3-pt contest over the Red Mamba.

[Robz4000]

To me, Parker is the only one you mentioned that has an argument. But it's not laughable that Kobe got 1st team, not even remotely. He deserved it.

If you think Harden, Curry, or Westbrook deserved it more than Kobe, I don't know what to tell you. I simply disagree with that opinion.

How so? All three were the number one options on their respective teams and put up great numbers. It helps that all three of their teams had better records, and in Curry and Harden's cases, less talent. Not saying any of the three are solid first teamers, but they deserve the nod over Kobe.

[td4mvp2k]

boredom

didnt know u were dat gots son...

[Trainwreck2100]

At least he won the 3-pt contest over the Red Mamba.

that was kyrie irving

[JamStone]

How so? All three were the number one options on their respective teams and put up great numbers. It helps that all three of their teams had better records, and in Curry and Harden's cases, less talent. Not saying any of the three are solid first teamers, but they deserve the nod over Kobe.

Kobe was a number one option on his team as well and his overall numbers were (arguably) better than all three. Harden's team didn't finish with a better record. The Rockets finished with the same record as the Lakers, and if you remember Lakers were the 7th seed and the Rockets were the 8th seed. And Curry's Warriors finished 2 games ahead of the Lakers. The only guy you mentioned whose team finished with a much better record was Westbrook's team, who oh by the way had an MVP candidate not named Westbrook also on the team. If you want to argue Curry and Harden had less talent, than you also have to acknowledge that Kobe's superior talent was beset with injuries all season long. That somewhat offsets the difference. And again at the end of the season, they all had similar records other than Westbrook's team.

Kobe averaged more points, rebounds, and a higher FG% than all three. Yes, a higher FG% than all three. As much as Kobe is viewed as an inefficient chucker, I think it speaks volumes that he finished with a higher FG%, especially since he did not shoot the ball well from three point range this season.

[Rummpd]

Duncan was a better defender than Gasol THE PSUEDO-DPOY and better offensively and Haters going to hate but still by far the best big to have on the floor when it matters.

[JamStone]

No one in this thread argued with Duncan being on the 1st team. Why are your panties all crumpled when no one even talked about Duncan?

[Mugen]

No real issues with any of the teams tbh. Maybe Harden over Westbrook, bout it.

[HarlemHeat37]

Curry didn't deserve all-NBA, tbh..the Warriors were a .500 team in 2013, Curry's hype was elevated after round 1 against a mediocre Nuggets defense, tbh..

There's no argument for Curry ahead of Vino, Parker, Paul, Westbrook, Wade and Harden..

My all-NBA teams:

G Chris Paul
G James Harden
F Lebron James
F Kevin Durant
C Tim Duncan

G Russell Westbrook
G Vino Bryant
F Carmelo Anthony
F Blake Griffin
C Marc Gasol

G Dwyane Wade
G Tony Parker
F Paul George
F David Lee
C Chris Bosh


- Harden's RAPM numbers are elite, only trailing Lebron in players that played more than 4500 possessions this season..he took a team full of average players to the playoffs when most people did not expect them to even sniff the playoffs, tbh..

- I have Parker and Wade on the 3rd team because both guys played less than 70 games..the difference between the 6 guards is negligible, so a significant disparity in games played is a difference maker..

- The options for forward on the 3rd team are scarce, tbh..Paul George was an easy pick, but David Lee wasn't..there aren't really any options to replace him, though..

- Howard on 3rd team makes a lot of sense, tbh..the Lakers were depleted all year, Kobe and Howard carried them throughout the 2nd half of the season..

Howard's defensive numbers were unbelievable during the 2nd half of the year, especially in comparison to his supporting cast..the Lakers defensive made notable improvements in the 2nd half, yet you can easily make the argument that Howard's defensive supporting cast was the worst in the NBA and it wasn't even close, tbh..

[Robz4000]

Kobe was a number one option on his team as well and his overall numbers were (arguably) better than all three. Harden's team didn't finish with a better record. The Rockets finished with the same record as the Lakers, and if you remember Lakers were the 7th seed and the Rockets were the 8th seed. And Curry's Warriors finished 2 games ahead of the Lakers. The only guy you mentioned whose team finished with a much better record was Westbrook's team, who oh by the way had an MVP candidate not named Westbrook also on the team. If you want to argue Curry and Harden had less talent, than you also have to acknowledge that Kobe's superior talent was beset with injuries all season long. That somewhat offsets the difference. And again at the end of the season, they all had similar records other than Westbrook's team.

Kobe averaged more points, rebounds, and a higher FG% than all three. Yes, a higher FG% than all three. As much as Kobe is viewed as an inefficient chucker, I think it speaks volumes that he finished with a higher FG%, especially since he did not shoot the ball well from three point range this season.

that comment about Westbrick was more a shot at Durant than anything. Forgot about the Rockets finishing 8th, but tbh most of the season they were hanging around the 6th seed while the Lakers weren't even seeded. The whole injury excuse is lame considering he still had two other HOF players on the court with him nearly at all times. Shocked that Kobe had a higher FG%, but I'll take your word for it.

[DMC]

Why even have a third team? Why not have a 4th team and 5th team? Hey, I made 16th team All NBA -Blair

[spurraider21]

Kobe has played alongside a fellow All-NBA player in each of his championship runs. Shaq, of course, was first team in their 3-peat, and Pau cracked the 3rd team in 2009 and 2010.

On the contrary, Tim has NEVER had a teammate make the All-NBA team on his championship runs. Robinson didn't even make the 3rd team in 99

[JamStone]

Kobe: 38.6 MPG, 27.3 PPG, 5.6 RPG, 6.0 APG, .463 FG%, .324 3P%, .839 FT%
Harden: 38.3 MPG, 25.9 PPG, 4.9 RPG, 5.8 APG, .438 FG%, .368 3P%, .851 FT%
Westbrook: 34.9 MPG, 23.2 PPG, 5.2 RPG, 7.4 APG, .438 FG%, .323 3P%, .800 FT%
Curry: 38.2 MPG, 22.9 PPG, 4.0 RPG, 6.9 APG, .451 FG%, .453 3P%, .900 FT%

[HI-FI]

Kobe has played alongside a fellow All-NBA player in each of his championship runs. Shaq, of course, was first team in their 3-peat, and Pau cracked the 3rd team in 2009 and 2010.

On the contrary, Tim has NEVER had a teammate make the All-NBA team on his championship runs. Robinson didn't even make the 3rd team in 99

interesting. just another inconvenient truth bomb for fans of Achilles.

[JamStone]

But Spurs fans go kicking and screaming about how both Ginobili and Parker are future Hall of Famers.

SMH @ using the all NBA teams to discredit David Robinson, Tony Parker, and Manu Ginobili only to prop up Duncan more than he already is as the accepted best PF in the history of the game, and then in other conversations yelling about how both Ginobili and Paker are HOFers.

[Dex]

that was kyrie irving

Oh....yeah.

Well, um......nothing to see here.

[Juggity]

Can we get a BRHornet45 take on this?

[hater]

agree Kobe did deserve 1st team. LOL at the haters

plus it's his last chance, his career is over

maybe, just maybe Parker or Westbrook could have gone in his place. but this was more as a tribute to the fallen one. good way to end your career imo

[ElNono]

I know people want to hate Kobe just to hate Kobe, but he actually does deserve 1st team.

Despite his team struggling most of the season, he still had a really great individual season. Getting all NBA defensive honors would be a joke. But getting 1st team all NBA makes sense.

Based on what? On stats alone, Coward posted better stats than TD, but watching the games you can see he was actually detrimental to his team. How's that different from Kirby?

This isn't the NBA All-Volume Shooters 1st team...

[Mel_13]

Kobe has played alongside a fellow All-NBA player in each of his championship runs. Shaq, of course, was first team in their 3-peat, and Pau cracked the 3rd team in 2009 and 2010.

On the contrary, Tim has NEVER had a teammate make the All-NBA team on his championship runs. Robinson didn't even make the 3rd team in 99

There have also been 5 seasons (1998, 2000, 2001, 2008, and 2009) where Tim did have an All-NBA teammate and the team exited the playoffs before the NBA Finals.

[Lincoln]

didnt know u were dat gots son...

Lol cowboys

[HarlemHeat37]

Just using simple defensive rating as an argument, since it's not worth elaborating any further, tbh..

The Lakers defensive rating was 106.6, which is below average, 20th in the NBA..looking at their roster in comparison to their team rating:

Howard- 100(a colossal 6 points better than their overall team D)
Earl Clark- 105(better than their team D)
Meta- 106(same)
Gasol- 106(same)
Kobe- 107(worse than their team D)
Jamison- 108(worse)
Meeks- 109(well worse)
Blake- 109(well worse)
Nash- 111(embarrassingly worse)

Howard's defensive rating was the equivalent of the #2 ranked defense in the NBA..

There are much better statistics to validate the argument, tbh, they all display a similar differential..

Kobe was the Lakers best player this season, by far their most consistent, but Howard was their most important player during the 2nd half of the season when they made their run to the playoffs..